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[21 Aces]

Here I give you one reason, what they do...(but I have more)
You're playing, you're winning, they analyse when and how much you're playing...you're losing they leave you alone, BUT if and when you're winning, you get a TIMED OUT (after 30sec, 1 min etc, time varies) and your screen goes off so you have to re-load and then by the time you're back in you have lost your chance to place the bet where you wanted to, that is if you don't play every hand!! "Super Casino" in the UK do this and other websites do this too! Therefore this is one reason, I have more if you want to come back to me please do and I will let you know what other websites do do! I'm an Author and researcher therefore I know what I am taking about.

One sure way -- and you only need one -- to LOSE is to play online Baccarat! Show me a regular online winner and I'll show you a lair!

I'm not going to argue with you because there is every indication that there are legitimate on-line live casinos where every aspect about them is fair.  You can't make blanket statements that throw in those houses with others that are practicing unfair/ illegitimate gaming.

Casinos that cheat in one way or another would quickly have their reputation known.

[stephen tabone]

gamblers are falling into this trap day in day out all over the world both on and off line in real casinos. online casinos have ways of manipulating including sophisticated methods. But even when there is no cheating going on the facts are that people that use the Martingale method all the time are setting themselves up to  wiped out. After 3-4 times P, or same, gambler should follow not go against.

Even if he'd won on the first or second go he would not have won a lot but stands o lose a whole lot more when it does not go his way as it does all the time to gamblers. It's horrible to watch but let it be a lesson to anyone thinking of doubling up. By the time they lose a few times, even if a win comes in they hardly win any profit, plus 5% is deducted if on Banker! Plus as you saw there are limits.

Bet $10 lose 10x on your tenth bet sum will be $5,120 let's say you win on tenth try, to win $5,120 less 5% = $4864 less your previous 9x loses that total, $5,110 therefore you'll be losing $246  the longer you double up the more you'll be losing in the FIGHT JUST TO TRY AND WIN BACK AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU'VE LOST. Bad Bad move.

The Martingale method is a delusion to fool the fool into think he can out smart probability buy sheer stupidity and greed!

[21 Aces]

I would never trust on-line games, but on-line live play is a different matter (I can see the title of the thread is not correct).

On-line Live Baccarat:
- Enough evidence that the casino is trusted in all aspects including payouts, safety of funds, etc.
- Systematic shuffling of the shoe that is trusted.
- Live dealer and you can see most of the shoes they use are actually clear plastic and you can see them deal, etc.
- All bets are made up front before the hand is dealt and then the betting window is closed so there is none of the internet connection arbitrage, etc. that has occurred with on-line video poker, etc. in the past.
- The baccarat play is 100% real as you can see from this micro sampling of footage.


THE BEST PART ABOUT GAMBLING IN 'MERICA IS THAT it is the strict limitations that push many gamblers into the shadows into less secure/ more limited options.

Everyone, please understand that I am posting up all of this assuming that people will seek out fair casinos to play in-person or on-line live.  Even though the financial markets are rigged to the nth degree by some participants doesn't mean that there are not fair markets or participants.

Anyone with any knowledge of the game(s) and intent could set up a cheating house very quickly, but it is up to the gaming authorities and players to determine where fair play is being offered.

**** ALSO ****  I am posting up footage of on-line baccarat play without really caring what the players are doing at all.  AND it is up to players to determine which on-line live casinos are worthwhile and fair. 

I am moreso looking for examples of what casinos are offering today in terms of on-line live baccarat play.  Even if you are 20-30 minutes from a casino, that's 40 minutes to an hour of travel time.

[ADulay]

Here I give you one reason, what they do...(but I have more)
You're playing, you're winning, they analyse when and how much you're playing...you're losing they leave you alone, BUT if and when you're winning, you get a TIMED OUT (after 30sec, 1 min etc, time varies) and your screen goes off so you have to re-load and then by the time you're back in you have lost your chance to place the bet where you wanted to, that is if you don't play every hand!!

I have found that once you get a bad video feed, either winning or losing, it is time to leave the site and come back at a better time.  In fact, if the video is lagging or doesn't look right that day, I'll just come back later.  There's no need to force it.

I have NEVER had a feed dropped because I was on a winning streak.

"Super Casino" in the UK do this and other websites do this too! Therefore this is one reason, I have more if you want to come back to me please do and I will let you know what other websites do do! I'm an Author and researcher therefore I know what I am taking about.

I am merely a player and would normally just let this thread go on and on while others do battle of the wits but I just couldn't let some of these blanket statements stand without any rebuttal.

One sure way -- and you only need one -- to LOSE is to play online Baccarat! Show me a regular online winner and I'll show you a lair!

That's a pretty definitive statement for a member who really doesn't have any idea of who plays here "online".

If you're talking about online VIDEO baccarat, I would tend to agree with you but if you're discussing online LIVE DEALER baccarat play I'll respectfully have to disagree. 

AD

[alrelax]

I would agree with AD.

Although I have NEVER played on line, live or video, etc., I have talked with a couple of serious government regulated casinos in Asia, looking to partner, etc., and I had in depth discussions with them.  It is on the up and up, at least on their end.  I do not see how a live on-line bac game can be manipulated or the reasoning when we all know the highest majority of the player's results, etc. 

Are there operators that attempt to manipulate either kind, probably?  However, doing due diligence as any customer/consumer should with this or any other business venture, would protect you from the obvious and proven rip-offs. 

The highest amount of players will beat themselves even in a 100% fair and legal game.

[Lungyeh]

I have invested in an online gaming website that is about to be launched. I am only a small investor but I made the necessary due enquiries and have been assured that there is no such manipulation. The software is provided by one of the 2 major casino software vendors and it is all live and not rigged.

[Gizmotron]

I have invested in an online gaming website that is about to be launched. I am only a small investor but I made the necessary due enquiries and have been assured that there is no such manipulation. The software is provided by one of the 2 major casino software vendors and it is all live and not rigged.

Congratulations. I hope that works out for you as a good investment.

[alrelax]

I have invested in an online gaming website that is about to be launched. I am only a small investor but I made the necessary due enquiries and have been assured that there is no such manipulation. The software is provided by one of the 2 major casino software vendors and it is all live and not rigged.

There are straight up operators and there are 'other' operators, same in all businesses, in brick and mortar locations as well as on-line.  Not just with on-line casino websites, on-line is easier to manipulate and hide and effect deceit in business practices by far than brick and mortar businesses. 

Wish you luck, there will be no lack of business and one thing I learned from insiders in New Jersey and Nevada, there are triggers and tricks for the house to employ that are legal and perfectly 'acceptable' within the industry for their on-line end.  They justify it by claiming customers of attempting to get over on them.

Heck, when is the last time you saw a gas station with the sign, "Please pump your gas first and then deposit your payment into the can on the side of the building, thanks have a nice day, we went fishing, will return tomorrow." ?

[21 Aces]

You are welcome to post live footage of any on-line live dealing baccarat to show casinos with true or rigged dealing.  Clearly, on-line casinos are letting people post footage on YouTube, etc.

Why would a casino risk their entire operation?


http://www.livedealer.org/live-casino-games/live-baccarat/

[21 Aces]

Any on-line live dealing available where you can watch/ open and account and basically watch because you bet minimally or sporadically?  It would be great to see many tables play live.  The ultimate would be to watch your favorite real casino anytime to observe and learn in addition to playing.  Thanks.