Couple questions if you don't mind:
1) If I purchase I play for a living, can I post the content here to share with others?
2) If no, how can I go about doing so without causing issues for the board?
3) Feel free to PM me if needed.
I may just spend 500 and shut the posers up about their so called "holy grail". With the smarts and experience people on here have, it won't take 3 months to figure if its stuff or if its real.
I am serious, let me know..........
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It would take only a few hours to simulate upon thousands of shoes. I have analysed many big mouth systems in past. As per the rules of the forum, you can not post it openly here, verbatim but you can write its review. You can share it with others too but never put it publicly.
My advice: 1. There is no system that can see the future or change the coming unbeatable variance
2. No money management is suitable for all cases
3. House edge has its say
4. Flat betting can't yield in long run
5. No betselection is better than all others
6. A player normally can not play with a bankroll comparable to a casino. If he keeps trying with a limited bankroll of say 100
chips, you can imagine how much he can last with a casino having virtually unlimited bankroll.
If you believe that all these are true and the seller has courage to beat given random sessions, not his handpicked ones, with a fixed set of rules, then the system is worth buying. Ask the seller for this, he will most likely not answer you back.
If you are actually going to buy the system though, I commend you for taking a risk. I guarantee you will not be disappointed.
Only thing I say is to not go ahead and give this information out for free or even attempt to. Once you receive the material you will be able to see that A LOT of time and dedication has been put into developing this methodology and it would be really disrespectful to do such a thing. Hope you have a changed mind after delving into the information.
If you have questions or anything like that, you can PM me also. Good luck wish you the best of it.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 19, 2014, 07:21:13 PM
Couple questions if you don't mind:
1) If I purchase I play for a living, can I post the content here to share with others?
NO !!!!!!!! Definitely not. It's subject to copyright -- as you well know.
Forum Rule 6 is clearly worded about this sort of issue.
2) If no, how can I go about doing so without causing issues for the board?
You can post a very broad overview and your opinion of it without giving away specific details of the methodology or content.
In that way you cause no problems for the board.
And you will cause no legal problems for yourself if the copyright holder decides to prosecute you because you ignored this advice and decide to reveal specific details and content.
He/she will have your details as part of the purchase procedure.
3) Feel free to PM me if needed.
This reply is posted here so others also know the answers to your questions.
I may just spend 500 and shut the posers up about their so called "holy grail". With the smarts and experience people on here have, it won't take 3 months to figure if its stuff or if its real.
I am serious, let me know..........
Im not worried about being sued. I use an alias when buying stuff online. Fake name and addresses. Also use proxies when needed. I can call the system. WBK SYSTEM. NO one will know...........
Anyways, going to ponder it..............
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 19, 2014, 07:21:13 PM
I may just spend 500 and shut the posers up about their so called "holy grail".
I am serious, let me know..........
You could purchase it and make it available to the masses via other means, that has been done many many times in the past.
PM me if you need more info.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 20, 2014, 01:59:46 PM
You could purchase it and make it available to the masses via other means, that has been done many many times in the past.
PM me if you need more info.
If I buy it, I will share with whomever wants it. You, ad, eso, whomever......
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 20, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
If I buy it, I will share with whomever wants it. You, ad, eso, whomever......
No need to "share" it with me. I've seen it.
I don't play it.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on November 20, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
No need to "share" it with me. I've seen it.
I don't play it.
AD
Enough to conclude.
Quote from: ADulay on November 20, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
No need to "share" it with me. I've seen it.
I don't play it.
AD
Why didn't you say so? Why do you like to keep secrets? Obviously, people respect your opinion. If you simply stated, "I have seen IPFAL system and it is no better than any other system." That would have been it. I would stop re-hashing the topic over and over again.
I think it's safe to assume, it's junk.......Please, correct me if i'm wrong.
What you have to realize, is these so called commercial systems have been around, hyped for the decade or more I've been on the web and a lot longer. Some authors put up a good fight and threaten this and that, such as Yarbrough, Ellis, Izak (who is still at it) and the other cronies nothing has ever come of it. Myself and Teo/Loti have given away 100's over the years, disrupting sales, now it has become tiresome, if people are stup1d enough to buy into it, then more fool them.
No system has ever concerned any casino, all this is, is the current flavour of the month. If and when this one is exposed, there will be another flavour of the month/year aimed at the d@ft, with the jazzy jizz filled web-site. Because when you rationalise it all out, it doesn't matter if one count states this, and another count states that, and the difference in the count is xyz, when those cards leave the shoe, every hand without exception is a 50-50 proposition.
It doesn't matter what you the player is doing, recording~wise, tracking, trending, counting, it still remains a 50-50 proposition and that includes the next hand and every subsequent hand. Those Baccarat players with a decent amount of experience under their belt will tell you, it is not so much winning hands v's losing that will send you broke, rather how much you are betting when you win or lose.
There will be a rise in systems emanating out of the far-east primarily aimed at the newbies (clueless), the gullible and those that have lost too much (broke), desperate people turn to desperate measures.
It's not right that the word bullsh1t is treated like you just insulted the pope in the Vatican, yet Alvin was given so much space to reel in a few, even though the Baccarat forum carries a warning against sellers, how ironic... I trust Victor got his percentage from the few that actually signed!!!
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 20, 2014, 07:12:06 PM
Why didn't you say so? Why do you like to keep secrets? Obviously, people respect your opinion. If you simply stated, "I have seen IPFAL system and it is no better than any other system." That would have been it. I would stop re-hashing the topic over and over again.
I think it's safe to assume, it's junk.......Please, correct me if i'm wrong.
No, I didn't say it was junk.
I said I don't play it.
It didn't work with my style and for ME, personally, it's not a viable method in real life.
Others may find it appealing and useful.
That's why one person can't tell another person how to play as almost everyone has different goals, expectations and a levels of acceptability for play.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on November 21, 2014, 02:42:57 AM
No, I didn't say it was junk.
I said I don't play it.
It didn't work with my style and for ME, personally, it's not a viable method in real life.
Others may find it appealing and useful.
That's why one person can't tell another person how to play as almost everyone has different goals, expectations and a levels of acceptability for play.
AD
Why do you always answer so indirectly? You beat around the bush......Seriously, quit the stuff.........
Everything is BLACK & WHITE, why you do muddle it up with gray? It either works (I don't care what your style is) or it don't. Listen, Izak has systems that drawdown 500 units or some stuff, THAT IS UNREALISTIC FOR ANYONE unless you are a billionaire and you wouldn't be on these forums...... So, are you saying that it "may" work with a 500 unit drawdown or something comparable? If so, it renders it USELESS.
Others may find it appealing and useful? WHAT??????
Listen, you can either make money with it or you can't. Its THAT SIMPLE!!!
As long as your not cheating at a casino and doing thing illegally, I think 100% of baccarat players would use ANYTHING that works. So, you saying, its not acceptable for you? LOL, that's crazier than ANYTHING I have EVER HEARD in my life...
You asked me if I play, the question is, HAVE YOU?????????? I
Are you related to Ellis?
Hey Ad, you try system X lately? (AD responds) Well, yup, I won 25 million BUT, ya know, IT REALLY aint my style. (BACK TO ME) Oh ok, I get it, you have the holy grail but it doesn't mesh with your "personality", it doesn't jive with your cowboy hat and boots, I get it!? (BACK TO AD) Yup, you may want to give it a whirl though, it just isn't for me. I am sure you will do FINE with it and find it appealing.
So, what did your response answer? NOTHING, absolutely nothing...........
Although, I am not quite sure I expected you to answer anything DIRECTLY, it DEFINITELY isn't YOUR STYLE!
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 21, 2014, 03:01:01 AM
Everything is BLACK & WHITE, why you do muddle it up with gray? It either works (I don't care what your style is) or it don't.
I think your missing the point. "it either works or is doesn't"??
Even if it worked against 10 or 100 of your own shoes, what would that prove exactly? Other than make you excited, however when you sit down and start laying out real chips, all that matters is the card which are to drawn next, the testing counts for nothing in regards to predicting winning sides or achieving a session win.
Now a system might include "a do this or do that, if this or that happens". And you could make the prescribed moves according to the system, but the shoe might move against the moves you just made, all you are doing is following somebodies opinion, which carries no weight.
So, it really doesn't matter if something works, I've played many systems that have worked for a long period and I've made a decent amount of money using them, all of a sudden, it doesn't work any-more and you have to be able to think on your feet.
Systems give you a game-plan, a bet methodology, removes the thinking / guessing aspect game, without actually giving you any edge, hence paying for anything is outright ludicrous.
I'm curious how Andy got to see it?
@ WorldBaccaratKing,
I chuckled over your last post, and I have to agree with you that not playing a system merely because it doesn't suit your "style" would seem to be a luxury too far, at least for those who haven't even found
one which works. It's almost as though winning is a secondary consideration, or that
all systems win, just pick the one you like. Like all cars get you from A to B, but so what, I want the one with the alloy wheels and leather seats!
Also agree that "it either works or it doesn't". Trouble is, any simple mechanical system will work some of the time, but if you keep plodding along with it eventually it'll hit the far end of the bell curve: -3 standard deviations or less. In my humble opinion, the "answer" is not to endlessly create and recreate systems looking for "the one" (which really is a fruitless task) but to create a sort of "meta system" - one which controls or coordinates other systems. These other systems can be whatever you like, so in that sense AD is right - just pick one or some which suit your "style".
QuoteI've played many systems that have worked for a long period and I've made a decent amount of money using them, all of a sudden, it doesn't work any-more and you have to be able to think on your feet.
It's not that "it doesn't work any more", but that it never worked in the first place, in the sense that it would make a flat-bet profit. Every simple mechanical system will spend most of its time in the "belly" of the bell curve, and a little time in each of the far positive and negative ends.
"Thinking on your feet" is, in essence, the Meta-system. But what is that, exactly? Yes, every outcome is a 50:50 proposition, but this ignores the missing ingredient of variance (variance only makes sense when you're talking about sequences, or multiple decisions, and multiple decisions are usually
not 50:50 propositions). So when you hit a losing run and have to "think on your feet", isn't that just a matter of adapting? being flexible? changing your strategy (bet selection) in accordance with the current conditions?
This is how I like to see the process (I'm talking about bet selections only here, not MM):
You have a number of Simple Mechanical Systems (SMS), all of which are losers in the "long run". They could be standard selections such as DBL, OLD, etc or something more complex (but don't make them too complex, there's no point). However, I think it's important that they are diverse, in terms of the events they "target".
These are managed by the Meta-System (MS), the supervisor, whose job it is to monitor the SMS in terms of performance, rank them, and select the one(s) which are doing best. In terms of playing roulette single numbers, you would be playing the numbers which are hitting the most. So the MS is effectively a trending strategy. However,
simple trending systems, in my experience, don't work any better than any other SMS; you need to have a "portfolio"; one system just won't cut it.
None of this is rocket science, or new, but it works and there are good reasons why it works. If a system is currently at the positive end of the bell-curve, chances are it won't swing back to the negative end the moment you start playing it, because that would violate regression to the mean. Back to back extremes are rare, and it doesn't matter what combinations they come in - an extreme negative sequence is unlikely to be followed by an extreme negative sequence, but also an extreme positive sequence, and vice-versa. If this does happen (and it will eventually), just switch to another currently "top-ranked" SMS.
MM handles the rough patches which inevitably occur due to short-term shifts in the rankings.
Hey guys I haven't been playing baccarat for very long but I just wanted to share a method that I've been using for about 28 weeks now. I started out with a $7500 bank roll. And now I am at a $92000 profit. I only bring about 900-1200 a day. And if I had 3 losses in a row or down $900 I would go home. Or if I was up at least 500-600 I would go home. So here is the method. And I would very much appreciate everyone, if anyone, can tell me the flaws in this method so I can modify it and make it better or safer. So here it is !
ALWAYS let at least 20 hands deal out before you make a bet.
This is what you're looking for.
B PP B PP B here bet that it will be P
B PPP B PPP B Same with here .
Or
BB PPP BB PPP B. Bet that it will be a B
NOTICE: IF YOU LOSE A HAND AND THAT PATTERN BREAKS, LEAVE THE TABLE AND LOOK FOR ANOTHER TABLE. AND IF YOU WON KEEP BETTING THAT THE PATTERN WILL KEEP GOING.
Always bet $300 NEVER INCREASE OR DECREASE.
important: when these things occur, GO HOME !!!
1. If you are down $900
2. If you lose 3 times in a row. Even if you are up like $3000 still go home !
DO NOT BE GREEDY AND AVOID THESE RULES. there's ALWAYS TOMORROW !!!
I've been doing only 7 months or so and it has very well worked out for me.
I've calculated my losses and wins every week and to my surprise, I win about 72.52% of the time. All I did was added up my wins and losses and then wins / wins + losses. Occasionally I'll have 3 or 4 bad days in a row ( so about $900 lost a day ). But I've notice my amount won will win all that back within 3 or 4 days. My average win is around 1100. Some days I'll go home with $0 some days I'll go home and lost $900. But some days I'll go home with $300 or even $5000. My highest ever so far was $9200 ( after commission and tipping the dealers ).
The most important key for this method to work is patience and accepting that you've lost that day. And always go with a friend when you can. It's a lot easier to contain yourself when you have a buddy. Although those patterns seems very strict and kind of hard to come by ( sometimes I'll wait an hour before I even see that pattern come ) it's VERY IMPORTANT that you don't bet lazily. And what do I mean by that ? Well....
Say you saw something like this
B PP BB PPP B DO NOT BET HERE.
Since there have been a single B and a BB you don't know that the next one will be a single or double. So DO NOT BET HERE. Even if a second B shows up there, LEAVE THAT TABLE.
or if it's like
B PP B P B P ALSO DO NOT BET HERE. this doesn't follow any of the patterns up there.
So the key for my so far success is PATIENCE and ACCEPTANCE.
please feel free to use this method, and if you do, please tell me how it went. I suggest u start out with a small goal. Like say to win 100-200 a day bring about... 500-600$ ? And set the same limits when you're down $300 go home or if you've lost 3 times in a row.
I hope this helped everyone !!
I hope you guys will help me out too with tips and all that.v
Oh something else I should mention
Bring a gaming device... I don't care what it is, an iPad, a smart phone, your son's Nintendo ds, something to entertain you while you wait because sometimes it could be an hour before you see a good table. Also bring a friend to help you bet when multiple tables are good and to help you look at more tables at once.
So to summarize all that up for you guys:
1. Bet only when you see the appropriate patterns listed above.
2. Know when to call it a day. ( reasons listed above )
3. Bring a way to make waiting fun.
4. DO NOT BE GREEDY AND TRY TO WIN BACK YOUR LOSSES !
And a little tip: set your alarm on your smart phone to ring every 45 - 60 minutes. This'll remind you to recount all your earning and see if you should go home or not. If you are up a win or 2 ( 300-600 ) and it's been a back and forth game, it's best to go home with your 300-600$.
Thanks a lot of listening guys. Please give me any replies or feedbacks I really appreciate it.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on November 21, 2014, 03:01:01 AM
Why do you always answer so indirectly? You beat around the bush......Seriously, quit the stuff.........
Everything is BLACK & WHITE, why you do muddle it up with gray? It either works (I don't care what your style is) or it don't. Listen, Izak has systems that drawdown 500 units or some stuff, THAT IS UNREALISTIC FOR ANYONE unless you are a billionaire and you wouldn't be on these forums...... So, are you saying that it "may" work with a 500 unit drawdown or something comparable? If so, it renders it USELESS.
Others may find it appealing and useful? WHAT??????
Listen, you can either make money with it or you can't. Its THAT SIMPLE!!!
As long as your not cheating at a casino and doing thing illegally, I think 100% of baccarat players would use ANYTHING that works. So, you saying, its not acceptable for you? LOL, that's crazier than ANYTHING I have EVER HEARD in my life...
You asked me if I play, the question is, HAVE YOU?????????? I
Are you related to Ellis?
Hey Ad, you try system X lately? (AD responds) Well, yup, I won 25 million BUT, ya know, IT REALLY aint my style. (BACK TO ME) Oh ok, I get it, you have the holy grail but it doesn't mesh with your "personality", it doesn't jive with your cowboy hat and boots, I get it!? (BACK TO AD) Yup, you may want to give it a whirl though, it just isn't for me. I am sure you will do FINE with it and find it appealing.
So, what did your response answer? NOTHING, absolutely nothing...........
Although, I am not quite sure I expected you to answer anything DIRECTLY, it DEFINITELY isn't YOUR STYLE!
You know, I just wrote up a very large, very detailed reply and then decided to wait a half hour before hitting send.
I deleted it and sent this instead.
AD