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[Lungyeh]

I wish to engage the services of a technical forum member who is an expert in developing a simple app for both Apple and Android if use is extended. But primarily for my own use to keep track of wins losses and provide guidelines on bet amounts based on bankroll capital n self input risk profile.

I wrote somewhere that the randomness of the game accentuated by certain periods of patterns would ensure that anybody at some point in their casino visit be making money based on their own bet selection preferences. But the key to walking out a winner is the ability to ride out the bad or Shar Chi period. It is my contention that loss management is the key to the holy grail. And I would like this small project to earn somebody here something even if it is small. Please PM me. Thank you and God bless

[Jimske]

I wish to engage the services of a technical forum member who is an expert in developing a simple app for both Apple and Android if use is extended. But primarily for my own use to keep track of wins losses and provide guidelines on bet amounts based on bankroll capital n self input risk profile.

I wrote somewhere that the randomness of the game accentuated by certain periods of patterns would ensure that anybody at some point in their casino visit be making money based on their own bet selection preferences. But the key to walking out a winner is the ability to ride out the bad or Shar Chi period. It is my contention that loss management is the key to the holy grail. And I would like this small project to earn somebody here something even if it is small. Please PM me. Thank you and God bless

Your request reminded me of Ian Harmer's "Turnaround" which is based on the inevitability of win and loss streaks.  Here's a quote from his intro:  "The key to Turnaround is that it forces you to relate the value of your next bet to the depth of the doo-doo you're in, providing you with a constantly updated "win target."  Something like this could be put in an app for online betting.  It reminds me of the algorithm used in "price-cost averaging."

[Gizmotron]

I wrote somewhere that the randomness of the game accentuated by certain periods of patterns would ensure that anybody at some point in their casino visit be making money based on their own bet selection preferences. But the key to walking out a winner is the ability to ride out the bad or Shar Chi period. It is my contention that loss management is the key to the holy grail. And I would like this small project to earn somebody here something even if it is small. Please PM me. Thank you and God bless

I read the entire thread. It mostly sounded quite familiar. I've been saying for more than a decade that if you want to follow the true trend that really matters then you must look at the effectiveness states. No matter how you come up with a bet selection, and I have always suggested that the method should at least be consistent, you must keep track of your win / loss effectiveness.


So I have moved from double dozens back to EC's. I can now play Baccarat, Blackjack, Roulette, and Craps with equal advantages. It's less volatile and makes following the effectiveness conditions much easier. So here is my last gift to you trend players. The HG is a limited Grand Martingale combined with flat betting. I expect you guys and gals to figure that much out on your own just how I execute it. You must already be a master of reading randomness and exploiting the effectiveness states to make it work. Remember, don't wreck it for everyone.

[Lungyeh]

I had thought really, that this app I was looking to build, would be part of an experiment and a personal endeavour and I could easily find someone in my country to do so. I thought to put it on the betselection forum to see if it could generate any interest and discussion.

A separate thread went on incessantly about technology being the wrong approach et cetera etc. The tone was condescending and it left no room for disagreeing points of view. While generally correct about the game, the one moot point is that not everybody is moulded in the form of Glen. Nor do they want to be. And technology is to be utilised for our benefit and assistance. Some don't need it. Some need it. Desperately.

[alrelax]

I had thought really, that this app I was looking to build, would be part of an experiment and a personal endeavour and I could easily find someone in my country to do so. I thought to put it on the betselection forum to see if it could generate any interest and discussion.

A separate thread went on incessantly about technology being the wrong approach et cetera etc. The tone was condescending and it left no room for disagreeing points of view. While generally correct about the game, the one moot point is that not everybody is moulded in the form of Glen. Nor do they want to be. And technology is to be utilised for our benefit and assistance. Some don't need it. Some need it. Desperately.

My other thread I just posted was actually written last week, and just took the time tonight to post it. 

It was not directed towards you or anyone else with positive thoughts about technology in baccarat.  None, Zero.  Honestly. 

On the flip side, what works for one might not work for another, especially in baccarat because of the greed and the emotions that fly around so fast and hard at the table, etc.

Please, let me say, if you find something that works for you, including technology, or anything else, pursue it and believe in it 100%. 

Sorry you thought that my other post was geared towards you, it was not. 

[Gizmotron]

I had thought really, that this app I was looking to build, would be part of an experiment and a personal endeavour and I could easily find someone in my country to do so. I thought to put it on the betselection forum to see if it could generate any interest and discussion.

A separate thread went on incessantly about technology being the wrong approach et cetera etc. The tone was condescending and it left no room for disagreeing points of view. While generally correct about the game, the one moot point is that not everybody is moulded in the form of Glen. Nor do they want to be. And technology is to be utilised for our benefit and assistance. Some don't need it. Some need it. Desperately.

I need the tech desperately when I practice. But sitting with a laptop or an activated phone at a gambling table here in America is strictly verboten. So in Roulette I use hand written charts on index cards. In Craps I custom stack the chips and read the results in the stacks. They encourage multiple value chips in Craps. So I use that. Same for Blackjack too.

[Gizmotron]

I think the point is to see visually, like visual dexterity, the win / loss effectiveness. I know that we can see the best looking trend that we have ever seen and still enter exactly at the wrong moment. It happens. You can have a perfect downturn during a great swarm of good looking trends. It's just part of randomness and has nothing to do with bad judgement. The point is to not get flustered by it when it happens. Just wait it out for a while. The good stuff will synchronize up with the effectiveness. And that is just too bad for casino owners.

[Lungyeh]

The app will not record results to predict the next bet. My idea was to have a recording app to keep track of  numbers of w/l/t and based on certain w/l results will restrict your betting amount. History has not changed the Baccarat outcomes. People win all the time only to hand back the winnings when on a losing streak. The app aims to record and prompt the user about amounts that are allowed to be placed and in certain circumstances, will reject any bets. Of course the user can just ignore but subsequent results will not tally.

The casino is a team. If we act alone the HE will stack against us. For most of us who lack Glen?s self control, we need to gather assistance. I read somewhere of a professional gambler who pays 10% of his winnings to his accomplice manager whose job is to keep the money under control on losing runs. I was hopeful the app could go some way to help.

[Jimske]

Maybe this should be a new thread?

The app will not record results to predict the next bet. My idea was to have a recording app to keep track of  numbers of w/l/t and based on certain w/l results will restrict your betting amount. History has not changed the Baccarat outcomes. People win all the time only to hand back the winnings when on a losing streak. The app aims to record and prompt the user about amounts that are allowed to be placed and in certain circumstances, will reject any bets. Of course the user can just ignore but subsequent results will not tally.

The casino is a team. If we act alone the HE will stack against us. For most of us who lack Glen?s self control, we need to gather assistance. I read somewhere of a professional gambler who pays 10% of his winnings to his accomplice manager whose job is to keep the money under control on losing runs. I was hopeful the app could go some way to help.

Are you suggesting an app that essentially incorporates a stop loss to control the "chimp?"  Of course not.  Your app must use W/L registry and W/L amounts which will allow increased and decreased betting based on pos and neg accumulations.  Sure, there is a time to just walk away.  The problem we face is how to recoup  in a sensible manner.  That's why Glen advocates his MM method of lockup and walkaway.  But you got to be ahead first!!!!  And if you're not then there needs to be a sensible way to recoup from the get go.

[Gizmotron]

The app will not record results to predict the next bet. My idea was to have a recording app to keep track of  numbers of w/l/t and based on certain w/l results will restrict your betting amount. History has not changed the Baccarat outcomes. People win all the time only to hand back the winnings when on a losing streak. The app aims to record and prompt the user about amounts that are allowed to be placed and in certain circumstances, will reject any bets. Of course the user can just ignore but subsequent results will not tally.

The casino is a team. If we act alone the HE will stack against us. For most of us who lack Glen?s self control, we need to gather assistance. I read somewhere of a professional gambler who pays 10% of his winnings to his accomplice manager whose job is to keep the money under control on losing runs. I was hopeful the app could go some way to help.

I understood you well in your earlier posts. I could see that the app would just record W / L / T results. Something like this:


|W|L|T|
| |X| |
|X| | |
|X| | |
| |X| |


There are no Ties in Roulette, so one column can be W or X. My charts in Roulette include the results of 12 different sets of 18 to 20 numbers that form the sides of 6 unique groupings. And it also includes one column for wins and losses. In Baccarat you just have one grouping with the three results to make bet selections from. And you also have the effectiveness of the bet set of three also. Most Baccarat players have a chart as part of the table apparatus. So maybe keeping track of the W/L/T is all the app would need. So can a person use a smart phone or a computer to play Baccarat?


I don't need an app to tell me to drop back to a "no bet," a virtual bet, or a minimum bet. I just use a simple method of dropping back on each lost bet. I still record a bet selection so that I can pick up on what grouping is not working for me. I can then tell if I'm still in a bad streak of guesses. So I still make bet selections continually, I just don't fund the bad streaks. The simple rule to stop funding after a loss is good enough. There is one situation where I stay in there betting and that is when the weak side of the grouping is in a pattern of singles. I might get a string of wins peppered occasionally with a single loss. Like this: wwwLwwLwwwwLwLwwLwww. You can see the single lost bets.


Now If I were to devise a visual dexterity method for Baccarat I would use $5 red chips for wins, $1 white chips for lost bets, and $25 green chips for ties. I would have them in a stack or a tray. You could just look at them at a glance and see the trends. As the game proceeds you could just bull back the farthest back part of the stack as 20 hands back is more than far enough. You could also keep a stack for the P, B, & T and put it right next to the w/L/T stack. If you take off the same amount of old results from each stack at the same time then the two charts will line up symmetrically.

[Lungyeh]

I really only ever wanted to engage the services of a technical person who may be active in our forum.

Giz has taken over my intended specifications for MY intended app and I can tell you for sure what I had in mind is totally different from that conceived by the brilliant mind of Gizmotron. I really think Giz is a high intellect guy and only needs to apply that intelligence intelligently to be an overwhelming success. I wait with bated breath.

I have consistently acknowledged the publications of alrelax which to my mind reflects to a large extent the realities of the game. But there can be only one alrelax and no individual can have the same level of control or decision making as alrelax himself.

And again, the primary reason I posted was bcos I see the forum getting inactive with less and less postings. I may be wrong. And I really wanted this app which would reflect the rules of my intended book which some of you have had the privilege of reviewing.

[Gizmotron]

Giz has taken over my intended specifications for MY intended app and I can tell you for sure what I had in mind is totally different...

Now I'm intrigued, as a computer programmer, what your intended specifications might actually be.


You are as right as rain in the dry desert, that when in an up-streak period, to bet at least 20 times more than your base bet's value. I also think it is wise of you to figure out best when to back off the stronger bets. There must be some programmers here that want to build your app for you. Usually they chime in by now. I don't have an operators licence for developing for Android or Apple smart phones. I'm on the downside of developing anything much in the future. It takes currently standing software licenses to develop standalone software. At Least in my preferred programming development language. So I hope someone comes forward for you.

[Lungyeh]

I have found someone to work with me on my apps. Thank you for the interest shown. Kindest regards

[Jimske]

My two cents re: App.

I've already suggested using Turnaround to determine bet amounts to place as a function of $ or units won/lost.  The other suggestion is to use the W and L IAR as a key for virtual and entering points since data has shown that LIAR is a static number that can be counted on.

An example would be to freeze bet amounts or sit out after x number of losses.  Then jump in at pre-determined points making bets that have relevance to loss/wins to date and target goals.


Good luck

[Lungyeh]

Yes bro, bet amount will be frozen for 60 minutes if one loses 3 out of the last 4 times of the big bets which I term as Hot Phase Bet (HPB). I differentiate between HPB and UB (Unit Bet) which is allowed to determine the phases in the shoe.