Things have been stale for a while so I decided to start this up.
Road to Pro
Hey guys, Train33 here ( as you can read ). I have been playing Bacc consistently for about 7 months now, a friend of mine showed me the game about 2 years ago though.
I aim to eventually go Pro playing this or at LEAST build up a pretty large bankroll. This thread is just going to be a documentation of my progress and any weird events that happen while I grind out at a Casino. From time to time I'll post up my score cards so you guys can see what I win and try them out yourself. I won't exactly be explaining what I do to play ( how I bet, or MM ) but will just be giving general ideas and tips that I learn and come up with while I play the game. Any questions you can post them here or send a PM.
P.S Thank you to anybody who I have spoken to in Pm's! Wish you all the best.
Anyways for today's Entry.
February 6th 2015:
My goal for each shoe is +6 - +7 units. On weekends I'll play about 8 shoes a day for a total of 48-56 units profit.
Went to my Local BnM Casino, roughly 6 am (I treat it as a job when it's my off days, to maximize profits). I went with $450 to play at the $15 tables that is 30 units of playing for the day.
First shoe of the day was pretty good, I ended +7 which got my momentum going. Second shoe which was at 7:30 +12, third +9. On my fourth shoe, I lost 8 units which kind of put me in a slump ( any loss of that amount would ). My fifth shoe I went +8 units, regaining what I had lost. 6th shoe +7. 7th shoe + 6. And the last shoe, I went up 6 units but continued playing and lost those 6 units. I decided to call it a day after that, roughly 12pm.
CoH ( cash on hand ) : $450
EDT ( End Day Total ) : $1075
Net Profit: $625
Tomorrow I'll wait until a new shoe to continue playing when I'm 1 unit away from my total profit goal. I guess I got too excited which caught up to me me in the end.
I'll post the couple of shoes I lost and also a couple I won. The scratches at the side of the scorecard is just a mental thing I do to reset the amount I bet in general. A kind of back to start, when I reach my target goal early, per say.
Any questions or comments, feel free to post!
P.S Black Box is there because I'm not posting this to discuss my method of play, just general ideas and to keep myself accountable to eventually reach my goals.
Hello Train!
Interesting thread.
Are you using progression?
Greetings.
I have some questions:
1.Do you use win target and stop loss management or do you go all in - lose or win ... ?
2.How large bankroll do you have?
3.I assume you use progression, which one?
4.Do you play every trail or do you use triggers?
Many thanks.
Cheers
Hi!
Good results if you play flatbet.
Keep wave!
Quote from: Bac on February 07, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Hi!
Good results if you play flatbet.
Keep wave!
I dare to say that it's literally impossible to put a 6-7 profit goal per shoe while adopting a flat betting method (for that matter it's impossible to get just an average 1 unit profit per shoe)
I'm sure Train33 utilizes a progression.
as.
Train33,
You might find that sizing those graphics for the internet will assist you in your ongoing report here.
AD
(https://betselection.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandy.smugmug.com%2Fphotos%2Fi-V7gn6SH%2F0%2FL%2Fi-V7gn6SH-L.jpg&hash=1f4b1f01bee2f670fc771772a36675d648fcaac3)
Hey Guys, I'll be giving an update Sunday after I get back from the Casino.
Quote from: Dilon on February 07, 2015, 02:35:19 PM
Are you using progression?
Greetings.
Yes and No. I do use a progression when I am mentally prepared to do so meaning, if I am up overall during my Baccarat session. What I mean by this is, say I play 2 or 3 shoes and I am up by +14 units in total, I would have no problem doubling up a bet because I am ahead overall. Say I am down, on a losing streak, I switch to flat betting to minimize the losses until I can get an idea of what the shoe is doing...trigger for that is -3 units.
Quote from: Sputnik on February 07, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
I have some questions:
1.Do you use win target and stop loss management or do you go all in - lose or win ... ?
2.How large bankroll do you have?
3.I assume you use progression, which one?
4.Do you play every trail or do you use triggers?
Many thanks.
Cheers
1) I have shoe stop losses, yes. When I get to about -7 units that's my red zone and I need to take this extra careful from there on. If I hit - 10 units I quit ( although it is still easy to recover from this deficit if you are well equipped ).
2) My bankroll is not large at all, I am building it through playing and my current job. Reason why I am even doing this is 75% out of necessity. I need the extra money and my current line of employment isn't cutting it. With that being said, I play with 30 units when I go in and that's how large my current bankroll is. Before you even step into a Casino it should be 100 -150 units at least so that you can play without any kind of pressure and to ensure you can recover from huge deficits or at least cut them in half. I don't recommend anybody to walk into a Casino with a bankroll as large as mine.
3) No specific one. If I am up I use Marty to a maximum of 4 units ( rarely do I ever bet a 4 unit bet...rarely). If I am down, - 1 unit I do marty but if I get to -3 I switch to flat betting.
4) I use triggers. Although this is a "random" game if you play long enough you'll begin to notice certain patterns and events that repeat.
Quote from: ADulay on February 07, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
Train33,
You might find that sizing those graphics for the internet will assist you in your ongoing report here.
AD
Thank you sir.
- T33
Hi!
How your sunday's trip?
Cheers.
Quote from: Jimske on February 09, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
Well if it is possible to get flat bet average 6 or 7 I haven't found it. Correct me, as, aren't your posts implying you get a flat bet win per shoe on average?
Nope, by any means.
The winrate of my flatbetting method is well lower than 1 unit win per shoe.
as.
Jim,
don't waste your breath. No one here wins 6-7 units/shoe. In their warped brain, a nice place called "fantasy-land", they do! In reality, they are stuck in mud like 99.9% of us.....
Careful, make sure you black out the pertinent info! Casinos could be shut down if you disclose anything!!!
AD, do me a favor and don't comment. We all know how you twist and turn and never post anything except dribble. You can win every shoe (after its played) with sap, f2, NOR, hi/lo, etc, etc etccccccccccccc. Blah blah blah......I don't want to hear it and im sure the rest don't either.....Its like a broken record that repeats itself day after day after day.............Please, spare me.....
THanks in advance.........
I wondered if you would notice! [smiley]aes/devil.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on February 10, 2015, 07:45:29 AM
WorldBaccaratKing I like your attitude you remind me of myself.
Rolex,
Tried to PM you, said blocked. Would love access, please PM me...
Thanks.
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on February 10, 2015, 02:46:39 AM
AD, do me a favor and don't comment.
Consider me "uncommented" and unconcerned.
Play on.
AD
Rolex,
Still a no go, says blocked.....
Quote from: Train33 on February 07, 2015, 04:02:14 AM
Things have been stale for a while so I decided to start this up.
Road to Pro
Hey guys, Train33 here ( as you can read ). I have been playing Bacc consistently for about 7 months now, a friend of mine showed me the game about 2 years ago though.
I aim to eventually go Pro playing this or at LEAST build up a pretty large bankroll. This thread is just going to be a documentation of my progress and any weird events that happen while I grind out at a Casino. From time to time I'll post up my score cards so you guys can see what I win and try them out yourself. I won't exactly be explaining what I do to play ( how I bet, or MM ) but will just be giving general ideas and tips that I learn and come up with while I play the game. Any questions you can post them here or send a PM.
P.S Thank you to anybody who I have spoken to in Pm's! Wish you all the best.
Anyways for today's Entry.
February 6th 2015:
My goal for each shoe is +6 - +7 units. On weekends I'll play about 8 shoes a day for a total of 48-56 units profit.
Went to my Local BnM Casino, roughly 6 am (I treat it as a job when it's my off days, to maximize profits). I went with $450 to play at the $15 tables that is 30 units of playing for the day.
First shoe of the day was pretty good, I ended +7 which got my momentum going. Second shoe which was at 7:30 +12, third +9. On my fourth shoe, I lost 8 units which kind of put me in a slump ( any loss of that amount would ). My fifth shoe I went +8 units, regaining what I had lost. 6th shoe +7. 7th shoe + 6. And the last shoe, I went up 6 units but continued playing and lost those 6 units. I decided to call it a day after that, roughly 12pm.
CoH ( cash on hand ) : $450
EDT ( End Day Total ) : $1075
Net Profit: $625
Tomorrow I'll wait until a new shoe to continue playing when I'm 1 unit away from my total profit goal. I guess I got too excited which caught up to me me in the end.
I'll post the couple of shoes I lost and also a couple I won. The scratches at the side of the scorecard is just a mental thing I do to reset the amount I bet in general. A kind of back to start, when I reach my target goal early, per say.
Any questions or comments, feel free to post!
P.S Black Box is there because I'm not posting this to discuss my method of play, just general ideas and to keep myself accountable to eventually reach my goals.
Hi Train33,
Great results out there! :applause:
With your gameplan, yes going Pro someday is possible. :nod:
I believe we have the same baccarat mentor and using the same system of play. ;)
If you're using our TBA, you'll achieve more money in less time. It doesn't matter whether you're using flat-bet or progression. :nod:
TBA can conquer all bac shoe combinations out there so, dedicate time in being proficient using TBA. :thumbsup:
I've integrated TBA with my bac plays and I'm getting greater results. :thumbsup:
Wishing you all the best! :thumbsup:
Natural 9 :thumbsup:
and what is TBA?
Hi Natural 9. Can I have your email address. Like to consult you on some matters. Thanks
Quote from: Tomla on February 16, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
and what is TBA?
TBA is "time before aliens". The alien race came after TBA was released to the general public. You didn't know this? You must be new to baccarat. Natural9 has had the grail since birth and has more gold bars that fort knox.
Him and his buddy sell this holy pail of dogcrap for a mere 500 dollars. What a BARGAIN!!!!!
With this system, they have single handedly taken down atlantic city. Have you not noticed the 4-5 casinos closing? Its because of them!
The press will say its hard time but the truth is THEY did it and are staying under the radar!
Careful what you say, the "aliens" and "illuminati" are continuously monitoring this board waiting for them to disclose one piece of information, if they do, they will POUNCE and the party is over!
Quote from: Jimske on February 17, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
Since you asked I looked at the posts and one shoe. Not exactly sure but the TBA must be referring to bet size or bet spread - Total Bet Amount or Total Bet Average. He using Alvin. Alvin comes from the ECD "school" of no deep progressions. If you notice from his scorecards he has not bet more than 2 units. So I think what Natural 9 is referring to is keep your bets low. Good advice, IMO.
Train posts 3 of his 7 shoes. Two losing cards and one winning card (-9. -6, +12). LOL - Train is being a little cute The "/" is for a win and the "X" is for a loss. He never bets more than 2 units. That's all I know. I don't have Alvin method but I'll pretty much guarantee that Train screwed up .001 which is the only one I examined. I'm sure Alvin and the Ellis school doesn't sit and lose 6 IAR without a stop or a switch of some kind.
Well make up your mind. You either want people to ask questions or not! Really? If it smells like a DUCK . . . . .Guarantee Train and Natural 9 know each other, play the same method and are shilling for Alvin trying to get more converts back door like.
LMAO - otherwise the motivation can only be a sophomoric "haha - I got a winning method and I'm not telling."
So that's my question for Train. Did you screw up .001 shoe or not? :-)
J
You don't say!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
All these scammers keep doing is promoting some mythical system that an alias of alvin tuarez or something like that made up.......It doesn't win, it never will. they make more and more screen names, talk in tongues and other magical languages (like the TBA one---watch out aliens are listening). what it comes down to is this: CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPOLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The next time you take a dump, stand up, turn around and admire what you left behind, it's actually BETTER than what these jokers are promoting......
Quote from: Jimske on February 17, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
You win so what's your problem with someone else who says they win with a particular strategy?
Unless im blind, what IS THEIR STRATEGY?
Quote from: Jimske on February 17, 2015, 06:29:13 PM
What difference does it make they not going to tell. I guess for $500 you can find out. Personally I don't have a problem with people selling strategies. Some people like them. I am concerned with claims people make. I haven't heard any real claims just some people say they like and win with it. Some say they don't like it (AD) or they changed it (Andre).
I don't have a problem with system sellers either! But, I think we all know, a mechanical system cannot beat this game. Every shoe is different. We can agree to that fact. Also, what gets me is they pump and pump and pump this stuff for 500 bucks and a new person who happens to find this thread will be naive enough to go blow 500 and pays alvins rent for the month...
If andrea or natural9 or whomever tried it, they would share something.....instead, all we see is the same ole pump and dump scheme.
Like Ellis, god bless him. But do you really think NOR or MDB or S40 or whatever is really a winner? Why would he be having seminars and selling the latest greatest fad! Come on...And yes AD, I do have NOR in PDF form and some older systems so I have tried them and with real money.....they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
just wanted to beat you to the punch...
Quote from: Jimske on February 17, 2015, 06:29:13 PM
What difference does it make they not going to tell. I guess for $500 you can find out. Personally I don't have a problem with people selling strategies. Some people like them. I am concerned with claims people make. I haven't heard any real claims just some people say they like and win with it. Some say they don't like it (AD) or they changed it (Andre).
One last thing,
We met at Foxwoods. Obviously, we both know Tom. I went that time because Tom had something that he thought was great and wanted to share it with me. Did it work? That night it did. But long term, i don't think it has because I haven't heard much. But, do you see how fast I went when he said he had something? I drove nearly 4 hours one way because I trusted him, I really though he had something because we spoke numerous times before so I had no reason to doubt him.
Obviously, he has very deep pockets, much deeper than mine, so maybe it works for him or maybe he gave up on it. Anyhow, I have issued 10x the 500 (5K) to prove to me that Alvins system works. I have yet to have anyone take me up on it because we know it don't work. PERIOD.
Ad said before in a thread, why would you pay 5000 when you could pay 500? its simple, it doesn't work, if it did, 5k is a drop in the bucket compared to what you could win. Im not that idiotic to pay alvins rent on a whim or the word of some fly by nights that I have little to no correspondence with...
Tom was different, we emailed each other, spoke on the phone, Tom was and is more gracious that 99.99999% of the people you will meet on ANY forum.
I have nothing against you, so if something I said irked you, my apologies.....I met you, you seem like an OK guy, I don't know you like I know Tom, but that's ok....
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on February 17, 2015, 08:00:47 PM
...And yes AD, I do have NOR in PDF form and some older systems so I have tried them and with real money.....they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
just wanted to beat you to the punch...
I thought you wanted me to stay out of these discussions but you continue to toss my name into the ring? Make up your mind!
Once again, you presume that I care what you have tested or played which is probably why you've included me in your most recent outburst..
It would appear that you have tested many, many sytems and your report back to us on all of them is that they are worthless.
Congratulations, you have discovered THE OBVIOUS.
At least you do tell us about it over and over and over every few weeks or so.
Please let us know when you come up with something new.
AD (headed back to the game now)
Quote from: ADulay on February 18, 2015, 03:32:51 AM
I thought you wanted me to stay out of these discussions but you continue to toss my name into the ring? Make up your mind!
Once again, you presume that I care what you have tested or played which is probably why you've included me in your most recent outburst..
It would appear that you have tested many, many sytems and your report back to us on all of them is that they are worthless.
Congratulations, you have discovered THE OBVIOUS.
At least you do tell us about it over and over and over every few weeks or so.
Please let us know when you come up with something new.
AD (headed back to the game now)
HEY AD, what's going on!!!
I was kidding with you! I like you :o! Hey, im looking out for the guy who googles stuff and sees some new system that claims they will break the casinos. Call me the baccarat crusader..........Should of made that my name............
I have a serious question for you:
When you are using NOR.....................never mind, not gonna open that can of worms......gl ad......
Quote from: Tomla on February 16, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
and what is TBA?
Hi Tom.
TBA means THE BOX APPROACH. :nod:
It's an approach where we try to capture (box-up) the different shifting of events happening as the shoe unfolds. :nod:
I was trained to capture at least 15 different events every baccarat game I play. ;)
TBA helps me hit my profit goals in less time. :nod:
Natural 9 :thumbsup:
my mentor told(trained me) that, TBA means total nonsense anecdoets, and for $499 trained me that there are about 80 different shifting events in a bac shoe.
"don't believe anything you read,and only half of what you see" lou reed.
ok I gather it is just a moment when you think your bet is more powerful or something to that effect......I have heard some people say that they like Alvins approach--do you have losing shoes? any percentages on win rate etc
might as well find out what the hype s about!
Quote from: Tomla on February 19, 2015, 06:37:06 PM
ok I gather it is just a moment when you think your bet is more powerful or something to that effect......I have heard some people say that they like Alvins approach--do you have losing shoes? any percentages on win rate etc
might as well find out what the hype s about!
Mr. Tomla,
Very well stated question. Should not be too difficult to reply to.
ND
You guys are funny! He hasnt answered one DIRECT question about the system and you think he is now going to tell you!!! LOL
System buyers won`t tell because they have been shafted. Ditto for mentor service. Pretend, pretend to keep face.
Just read between the lines and you will get the picture.
ND
well any users that tried alvins method and thought it was poop?
Quote from: Tomla on February 19, 2015, 11:49:51 PM
well any users that tried alvins method and thought it was poop?
There has only been 3 in existence. Alvin, Andrea, and N9. what's that tell you?
and the train-:)
train went off the tracks and is in the harbor
Great entertainment ! Why did Dr. Thorp write that book ? Well, that's what professors do, research and write about it.
I'm sure most professional or semi professional players, on these forums, play their cards close to their vest.
Quote from: ezmark on March 02, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
Great entertainment ! Why did Dr. Thorp write that book ? Well, that's what professors do, research and write about it.
I'm sure most professional or semi professional players, on these forums, play their cards close to their vest.
There may be some recreational players who think they are pro, I highly doubt 0.0001% of the people on here make a living playing baccarat. Not supplemental income, I mean a living where you pay the rent, utilities, car payment, food, insurance, etc from solely baccarat. If you didn't win in baccarat you would be living under a bridge...
A Vietnamese in our casino I know had his 2014 statement of wins and losses for the year, he had 1,000,000 in losses, and 1,009,000 in winnings, he won 9k for the year. Obviously, he works and bets anywhere from 500-2k/hand (our casino is indian and it's a 50-2k max table).
He plays a lot and is a VIP. 9k for a year? That would cover 2 months bills for us, hardly making a living....