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[alrelax]

I was at the casino the other night.  It was crowded, rushed, problems and there was a dealer that was a bit inexperienced relieving another.  It was a baccarat room, not on the main floor.  There is one dedicated floor manager for the table of 12 to 36 players at one time.  His hands are full with 2 dealers and 2 sides at the same table.  He was busy with entering a couple of large buy ins and attempting to get the drink lady to come take orders among other things.  There is no way the floor person there would have caught this.  Just trying to lay out the situation. 

Here is what happened.  Everyone was on the Banker side and the dealer pulled a total of 4 for the Players side and a total of 6 for the Banker side.  Dealer flops a 6 and immediately shoves the Banker card a few inches out to signify the Banker won.  Everyone was accepting it and a few raised their eyebrows at each other knowing a 3rd card is needed for the Banker.  The 3 largest bettors had more on their Banker bet than their Fortune 7 would have paid anyways, if an Ace was to appear.  They were not saying anything. 

However, one person yells out to the dealer he has to pull a card.  The looks from most everyone was, shut up man--just take the Banker win and be done with it.  The one person that said something would have profited more on an-F7 versus the Banker win, he wanted to see an Ace of course.  I do have to admit the 6/7 third card for the Player, and then not pulling a 3rd card for the Banker having a 6 is probably the most common mistake for a dealer to make on occasion.

Anyway, the dealer pulls the Banker cards back and flops a 4 for a tie.  Of course the whole atmosphere changes and the aura grew ugly. 

Reminds me of a few weeks ago when everyone was on the Banker also and the dealer stopped on a 3rd card pull for the Players side, and was ready to pay the Banker side when someone said, you still have to pull.  Of course that time the Banker (the whole table lost) their wagers. 

I do not know those people that said those things the few times I have seen it, but seems it happens once every couple of months.  I can only assume those people believe the rest of the shoe will be negatively effected if a hand is not played out properly?  I do not know for sure.  But I do know one thing, those that say something like I laid out, are extremely small bettors. 

[Johno-Egalite]

I've been in that situation many a time.  I think it is an automatic reaction to see the hand played correctly, sometimes we just don't think fast enough to realize we should say nothing.

When a hand is drawn incorrectly, a specific player would very quickly tell everybody at the table to "shut up" in Chinese and start waffling away to his mates. Hand gets paid, then he and maybe one other will go from betting a few pinks to betting the table max ?2000 for the next hand on the Bank.

Should the Bank win the next hand, nothing is said, and they will leave.  Should the Player win the next hand, they will question and complain about the hand before the current hand which they lost.

The casinos are wise to this, they try as they pull this all the time. So they freeze their bets, check the camera, correct the prior hand, and play the current hand over.  If the player side still wins the current hand after the correction, the supervisor gives them loads of verbals.  "Cheat don't prosper", "serves yer right", while they look on innocently, pretending not to understand. 

If the current hand becomes a Bank win instead of a Player win, obviously the casino is fuming and the dealer will get a serve reprimand later.  In effect, these particular big hitters are getting two attempts to win the hand.

I don't care what they get away with, having been in this situation a few times myself and not being able to speak Chinese, I can't tell to the table to "be quite", and usually don't think fast enough to realize, I should STFU.

I've also been involved in situations were a casino has chased people 30 mins later for incorrect payouts, full price paid for a Bank 6 win, threats with banning, to call the Police, if money is not returned.

The best was about 15 years ago, a trainee was left alone, everyone on the Bank, Player wins and she pays the Bank bets, everybody including me, telling her what a wonderful job she is doing, she did this for about 3 hands before she was taken off. Great dealer, everybody was very happy with her. LOL   

[Babu]

Those are mistakes even experience dealers would make from time to time.  I've saved two person from losing 10K.  To may surprise, a small percentage of players do not know the rules to draw even after playing for years.  They figure dealers will deal correctly.  Believe it or not, some dealers would intentionally make that mistakes for players they don't like.

It took me 6 months before I knew the rules because I didn't play daily and not always every weekend.  I realize it's a disadvantage to not know.  Right after I learned it was when I save to guys that would have loss 10K each.

Yes, I have been the one to call out the dealer's mistake.  Everyone was unhappy but I had to do it for myself.  I had about $200 bet while some had upwards of 2K and on average $500.  I had my bet in first.  I remember the guy with the 2K bet yelling at me, asking why I did that.   I told him that I wasn't going to lose $400 for you sir.  He said he would have paid me.  I think not.  If he meant to, he would have threw me the money before I said anything.

It happened twice on different occasions if I remember correctly.

I have witness mistakes all the time but of course would kept my mouth shut if it had nothing to do with me.

[Johno-Egalite]

I just tell them (and the dealer), "you don't pay my bills". 

[alrelax]

"I've also been involved in situations were a casino has chased people 30 mins later for incorrect payouts, full price paid for a Bank 6 win, threats with banning, to call the Police, if money is not returned."

Every casino I have played at in the USA, if they do not catch it before the next hand, meaning before the next card comes out after the completed wrong hand, the casino will not say anything.  And that is from years of play in high limits rooms in all major casinos of Vegas, Atlantic City, Connecticut and other states.  Most of those must still have the cards without dropping them into the bucket to re arrange on the table or some will proceed to stop the game if the next hand was not dealt and the floor manager will call for the wrong winning chips to be paid back.  I have seen this many times, but I have never seen anyone refuse to give back the wrongfully paid chips. 

And I have no problem to speak up if the mistake effects one person.  Where upon you have even table min wager and lots of money on the opposite side of the mistake, you stop them from being paid.  NO PROBLEM, of course, your money is your money and right is right. 

I was specifically referring to when no one is on the correct side to be paid and people speaking up that another card is to be pulled. 

[Johno-Egalite]

I've had casinos hunt people for an hour over full price being paid on a banker 6 table, suddenly the Chinese people don't understand a word of English. Until they hear the word Policey

I got done once, refused to give them $25 without seeing the tape first, they wouldn't, so I was given a 24 hour ban, which would have continued until I paid.  So I paid the next night, I just wanted an excuse to go home really.

Another time, a dealer paid the wrong side, big boss was doing his nut, searching the casino for players at the table, which I was one.  Everybody left the table after the hand, knowing we would not get away with it.  He spotted me sitting elsewhere, but had to travel down an escalator,  I scooped my chips after the hand, walk towards the toilets and ran out of a back entrance. F' them... 

[Jimske]

   Funny stuff.  Happens often enough.  One time I was on the losing side of a mistaken play while another Asian had a big bet and profited from the mistake.  I had a small bet but kept my mouth shut for him.  Afterwards I gave him the stink eye for a couple of hands then wiggled my finger at him.  He didn't speak English - finally he through me a black for saving his behind! LMAO.