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[Atlantis]

I agree with asymbacguy's comments.

@Gambler,

I flatbet the results you gave...


  B
  P
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B
  B lose-stop       -1
  P
  P
  P
  B
  B win-stop      +0*
  B
  B
  B
  P
  P win-stop       +1*
  B
  B win-stop       +2*
  P
  P win-stop       +3*
  B
  P lose-stop        +2
  P
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B lose-stop       +1
  P
  B win               +2
  P win               +3*
  P lose-stop       +2
  B
  P
  P lose-stop       +1
  B
  B
  B
  B
  P
  B lose-stop       +0
  B
  P
  P
  P
  B
  P lose-stop       -1
  P
  P
  P
  B
  P
  P lose-stop        -2
  B
  B
  P
  P
  B
  B
  B
  B
  P
  P win-stop         -1
  B
  P
  B last series was 2-1 followed by 2 chops (singles) so next bet would be = Player


A.

[Gambler]

Atlantis - Thanks for the illustration. I got the same result as well..-2...

This is one of the toughest shoe with this method, and going down with a cpl of units is not bad..

[RouletteFan]

@antlantis

hello

can you please explain again step by how you play ?

a lot of people over would to enter the discussion but they don't understand how to play


thank

[plolp]

                 roulette fan ,what do you not understand ?

[plolp]

It is true that there atlantis contradictory attacks.
Missing attacks too.

[Atlantis]

Hi,

For clarification I wish BEAT-THE-WHEEL would come back on...
As BigEZ reports he has now deleted his example from this thread (WHY, I wonder??) and not as yet answered my request for confirmation on my example.

Basically method is same as Sputnik's second march detailed earlier with the modifications I showed in my last 2 examples
(follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" ONE TIME ONLY if last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order)

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

example 2
------------
r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1  STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP

A.

PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!

PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...

[Tomla]

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

------

r
r
b                                                           ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series  be a 3  and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1

[Atlantis]

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP

------

r
r
b                                                           ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series  be a 3  and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1

Hi tomla,

It was two different examples I was showing there tomla - they were separate session unconnected "snippets"!
(I've now made that clear in the post)
But if they had been consecutive results then you are right the last 2 series would have been 3-3 - so you would need to go further back to get an earlier different series, which in that case would have been series 2; so you would arrive at 3-2.

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1  STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1   STOP

Hope this helps,
A.                                           

[Tomla]

thanks atlantis--got ya

[plolp]

I take the same example

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1  STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1   STOP

[Atlantis]

I take the same example

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1  STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1  STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1   STOP

Hi plolp,

Yes- I have played that way also with success. But out of the two ways which of them is the right one? - and does it matter anyway?
We need beat-the-wheel to come on and give his view. Also I would value Sputnik opinion on the correct way.
My feeling is that the way I interpreted it from beat-the-wheel's now deleted example IS the right one. (The example he deleted in reply#129) I took care and spent time over that when I made the example in my reply#134 on page 9. But we'll only know for sure when he himself verifies it as being correct.

Thanks,
A.

[Gambler]

Atlantis - What kind of MM you follow?. Flat betting or progression. If progression then what is your line?

[RouletteFan]

here is the deleyed post from beat the wheel

hey why you participate to a forum and after you delay your post and you don't want to share anymore


Thus I discover a way to bet the single and , avoid the series2&3!!!

B
B  -
P  -SINGLE
B   -SINGLE
P win -1st
B WIN -2nd
B=LOSE 1
B
B  -
P
P  -
B
B win -3rd
P  --SINGLE
B   --SINGLE
P=WIN 4th
P =LOSE -2
B  --SINGLE
P   --SINGLE
B WIN 5th
B =LOSE -3
P  --SINGLE
B   --SINGLE
P WIN 6th
P LOSE 4
P
P
P
P
P
P   -
B
B
B  -
P  --SINGLE
B   --SINGLE
P win -7th
B=LOSE 5
B   -
P  --SINGLE
B  -SINGLE
P win -8
B win -9
P win -10
B WIN-11
B =LOSE -7
P
P
P   -
B
B WIN 12
B   -
P
P
P
P
P   -
B
B  -
P
P-WIN13
P
P   -
B
B=WIN14
B  -
P  -
B
B =LOSE -8
P     

[Ehtelgaeb]

Thanks Roulette Fan! And everyone else working on this.

[Atlantis]

Hi roulettefan,

Yes - that is the one. Thanks for reposting it. That does clear it up and answer my question then.
I checked it again and I am right. My example DOES adhere to same rules and match beat-the-wheel's way and does not include the extra betting that plolp showed/did...
The question remains as to why B-T-W deleted it - and at the moment we can only speculate....

Regards,
A.