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[Still_Learning]

Sputnik,
I'm trying to understand your bet selection.

X
O W 1 +1
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O  <-------Why did you stop betting
X
X L 1 +2
X L 1 +1
O
X W 1 +2 <--Why didn't bet O since series 2 and 3 dominating
O W 1 +3
X W 1 +4
O W 1 +5
O L 1 +4
X L 1 +3
X L 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L 1 +2
X W 1 +3
O W 1 +4 <--Why didn't bet X since series 2 dominating
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
O W 1 +8
O L 1 +7
X W 1 +8
X L 1 +7
X L 1 +6
O
X L 1 +5
X L 1 +4
O L 1 +3
O L 1 +2
O L 1 +1
X
X W 1 +2
O
O W 1 +3
X
O L 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7

[roversi13]

Bet selection very well explained and if it's valid, playing flat bet is perfect!

I disagree about  suggested progressions:all smooth progressions represent an agony and a sure death.
More it's smooth more the total volume of the bets increases and the player pays a lot of tax(VIG)

Best progressions are violent(or flat bet if bet selection unbeatable,like said above!)
Wingoal 2 units,that's all.
It's true that a player can get them after 2 or 3 decisions.
Do a player enter a Casino for fun or for earning money?

[Sputnik]

X
O W 1 +1
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L<-------Why did you stop betting, because we don't know what the second event will be and we want to bet the two last events next.
X
X L 1 +2 <---- We got singles and series of two in the past, so first bet is to Catch single and we lose and the second bet is to Catch series of two and we lose.
X L 1 +1
O
X W 1 +2 <--Why didn't bet O since series 2 and 3 dominating, you are right and i am wrong, we should bet series to continue, so the first bet lose and the second bet wins (LW)
O W 1 +3
X W 1 +4
O W 1 +5
O L 1 +4
X L 1 +3
X L 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L 1 +2
X W 1 +3
O W 1 +4 <--Why didn't bet X since series 2 dominating, becaue singles and series of two is the last two hitting events and they strike 13 times in a row.
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
O W 1 +8
O L 1 +7
X W 1 +8
X L 1 +7
X L 1 +6
O
X L 1 +5
X L 1 +4
O L 1 +3
O L 1 +2
O L 1 +1
X
X W 1 +2
O
O W 1 +3
X
O L 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7

[greenguy]

This thread is Sputnik's March, but after reading it through I feel it should be called Sputnik's Capoeira!

[Sputnik]

Here is one example how you win flat betting or break even several times during 300 trails - todays random org file ...

1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1
1 W 1 +2
1
2
2 W 1 +3
1
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2
1 W 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
1
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 W 1 +7
1
1
2
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2
1 W 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2
2
1
2 W 1 +9
1 W 1 +10
1 L 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2
2 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1
1
1
2
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1
2
2 L 1 +1
1 L 1 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1
2
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
1
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2
1
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
1
1
2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1
1
2
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2
2
1
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
1
2
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2
1
1 L 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
2 W 1 +3
2
2
1
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
1 W 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
2 W 1 +15
1 W 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
1 L 1 +14
2
2 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
2
2 W 1 +14
1
2 L 1 +13
2 L 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
1
2 W 1 +12
2 L 1 +11

[Garfield]

The combination of 1-2-3 (in any order) followed by another 1-2-3 (in any order) is what you should be aware of. For sure the 1-2-3-1-2-3 will produce 6 LIAR

[Sputnik]

The combination of 1-2-3 (in any order) followed by another 1-2-3 (in any order) is what you should be aware of. For sure the 1-2-3-1-2-3 will produce 6 LIAR

Yes and that is with the same odds and probability with dozen distribution where 6 alternating is pretty rare.
And we winning and break even when we strike 123456789 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 times in a row with 2 dozen hitting.

1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2

[roversi13]

1 2 3  in any order followed by another 1 2 3 in any order:probability 1,234%
Quite low but,IMHO not low enough for playing without stress.
Risk still there.....

[Atlantis]

Hi Sputnik and others,

Just to clear things up. How would you play this sequence of R/B results?

Start of sequence

b=black
r=red

b
b
b
r
r
r
r
b
r
r
b
r
b
r
r
r
0 (zero)
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b

end of sequence.

Thanks,
A.

[Sputnik]

 

1 2 3  in any order followed by another 1 2 3 in any order:probability 1,234%
Quite low but,IMHO not low enough for playing without stress.
Risk still there.....

I am not sure if i follow you - because when i pick 300 trails from random org you get the even Money events with the odds 1 in 3 and they produce same distribution as dozen for 300 trails.
And if the odds is 1 in 3 and no other combination exist - then the probability should be same.

For example ...

1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
2
2 dozen 2 <<<
1
2 dozen 1 <<< 5 in a row
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
1
1
1
2
2 dozen 2 <<< 3 in a row
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<< 3 in a row
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1 dozen 2 <<< 3 in a row
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3 <<<
2
1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<< 3 in a row
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3 <<<
2
1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<< 3 in a row
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2

[Sputnik]

Hi Sputnik and others,

Just to clear things up. How would you play this sequence of R/B results?

Start of sequence

b=black
r=red

b
b
b
r
r
r
r
b
r
r
b
r
b
r
r
r
0 (zero)
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b

end of sequence.

Thanks,
A.

b
b
b
r
r W First event is a serie of Three and we play for a repeat.
r
r
b
r L Betting for series to continue to repat.
r L The last two events is single and series of 3 and higer, so we bet single.
b L The last two events is single and sereis of Three or higher we bet series of three
r W The last two events is single and sereis of two, so we bet single
b W
r W
r L
r L We bet the two last events, singles and series of two, so we bet series of two.
0 (zero)
b
b L We bet the two last events, singles and series of Three, we bet single
b W We bet the two last events, singles and sereis of Three, we bet series of three
r
b W We bet the last two events, singles and series of Three. we bet singles
r W
r L
b L We bet the last two events, singles and series of Three, we bet series of three

[roversi13]

Sorry your answer not clear for me.
I try to say it again.
Example about roulette dozens(it's easier):probability three different dozens in a row 1/9(Zero not taken into account)
Probability "2 times " three different dozens in a row 1/9 x 1/9=1/81 or 1,234%
Probability a bit better than a 6 terms martingale (1,833%)

[Atlantis]

Hi sputnik,

OK. Thx very much for explanation and your examples.
I have now played 3 real money sessions in online casino - (low stake live autowheel + le partage returns for 0)
I am +9u profit (3x3u)
Flat bet with mild progression.
Easy to play once you understand it...
It's a nice method - so far!   

A.

[RouletteFan]

@Atlantis

Can you explain how you have understand this march ?

and how you play it at the casino ?

despite of those 4 pages forum

many person here are still lost and they can't participate to this discussion

thank

[marinetech]

P
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
B
P
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
B
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
B

anyone want to play this using sputniks method?