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[Big EZ]

I just ran across the same example that was posted above and I got the same exact thing except in 3 different places, marked below in BLUE

Could you please check to see if either one of us has made a mistake

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[marinetech]

You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............

[AsymBacGuy]

You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............

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[Garfield]

Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.

At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.

Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.

So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.

[Gambler]

You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............

I don't expect to win every show either and I know that's not a possibility. All I'm saying is the more deep it gets you to -be mode, the more difficult and time consuming it has to recover back. Did you look at the loss here? This is a real shoe I played  in a live casino, unfortunately ended up real bad.

I'm a high roller and this kind of loss really matters, no matter what the method is.

Cheers - VJ

[Gambler]

My loss was -11 with flat betting and you got -22? any time you get into this kind of loss, your mind really changes and hence more pressure.

Anyways, thanks Sputnik

VJ

[Gambler]

Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.

At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.

Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.

So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.

I agree on this and fully understand. I should have stopped play maybe when I was -3 or -4, wrong timing here, my bad.

All part of the game, anyways..

Cheers -VJ

[marinetech]

I don't expect to win every show either and I know that's not a possibility. All I'm saying is the more deep it gets you to -be mode, the more difficult and time consuming it has to recover back. Did you look at the loss here? This is a real shoe I played  in a live casino, unfortunately ended up real bad.

I'm a high roller and this kind of loss really matters, no matter what the method is.

Cheers - VJ

VJ,

I hope you're not the VJ that goes to the turning stone casino. If so, then I know you and I know you're a high roller and I also know you have lost millions up there! Otherwise, this is the internet and anyone can say they are a high roller. That really doesn't mean to much in all honesty.  This forum doesn't care if you're black, white, brown, green, or purple, nor do they care about the limits you play at.  We all care about one thing, grinding away and trying to make some money doing so and trying to find a way to beat a game consistently.

If you ended up -11 even at 1k a hand, that's -11k plus commission. If you're truly a high roller I would assume a loss like this wouldn't bother you in the slightest. VARIENCE happens. If it does, you're playing too big. I'm not trying to lecture you and I apologize if you take offense. Best of luck.

[Gambler]

VJ,

I hope you're not the VJ that goes to the turning stone casino. If so, then I know you and I know you're a high roller and I also know you have lost millions up there! Otherwise, this is the internet and anyone can say they are a high roller. That really doesn't mean to much in all honesty.  This forum doesn't care if you're black, white, brown, green, or purple, nor do they care about the limits you play at.  We all care about one thing, grinding away and trying to make some money doing so and trying to find a way to beat a game consistently.

If you ended up -11 even at 1k a hand, that's -11k plus commission. If you're truly a high roller I would assume a loss like this wouldn't bother you in the slightest. VARIENCE happens. If it does, you're playing too big. I'm not trying to lecture you and I apologize if you take offense. Best of luck.

Mate - Losss is a losss, doesn't matter what color your chips are..you took my words in a wrong context.

I may not have lost millions, but its considerably big and I'm tired of losing.

All I wanted to put forward was that I got into a real bad game with this method, jst that I'm unlucky.

VJ

[jsintl]

Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.

At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.

Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.

So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.

Hi Garfield,

I know that MM is our personal choice.  Just want to get your input on what MM will you use for this Bet Selection. 

Thanks

[Garfield]

You could explore Sputnik's. For me I used 1-1.5-2.5-3.5 -4.5-2 neg prog. Stop after that which mean I lost 15u with 6 LIAR. Lost half of my buy-in BR. Change table.

[roversi13]

I must confess that IMHO this a nice method.
Nice doesn't mean winning method.
My first question when someone explains a strategy or a method is :" WHY DO YOU PLAY THIS WAY"?
Positive EV?Sure not!
Statistical advantage?I'm afraid not!

So,thanks Sputnik for your system,but I put it in the list of thousands nice but losing systems.

[Jimske]

I must confess that IMHO this a nice method.
Nice doesn't mean winning method.
My first question when someone explains a strategy or a method is :" WHY DO YOU PLAY THIS WAY"?
Positive EV?Sure not!
Statistical advantage?I'm afraid not!

So,thanks Sputnik for your system,but I put it in the list of thousands nice but losing systems.

I looked at the method briefly and am a bit confused on a couple of points so I got to spend more time trying to understand it. 

I think what is important is to understand the "kind of shoe" this method likes and doesn't like.  IOW, what is the nemesis?  Garfield already said 123123 and lose 6IAR.  I don't know the method to understand what pattern that is but the point is to look forward and know what you need to win the next few bets.  If they don't happen it's time to look at the bias of the shoe and recognize a change up - maybe pause here or reduce unit size until you see the kind of pattern it does better in and try again.  If that don't work maybe just cut your losses and move on to another shoe.  Good shoes will come.

To me that's MM - not allowing yourself to get too deep in the hole whereas a "normal" or "average" win won't get you back in the game.

[Garfield]

I looked at the method briefly and am a bit confused on a couple of points so I got to spend more time trying to understand it. 

I think what is important is to understand the "kind of shoe" this method likes and doesn't like.  IOW, what is the nemesis?  Garfield already said 123123 and lose 6IAR.  I don't know the method to understand what pattern that is but the point is to look forward and know what you need to win the next few bets.  If they don't happen it's time to look at the bias of the shoe and recognize a change up - maybe pause here or reduce unit size until you see the kind of pattern it does better in and try again.  If that don't work maybe just cut your losses and move on to another shoe.  Good shoes will come.

To me that's MM - not allowing yourself to get too deep in the hole whereas a "normal" or "average" win won't get you back in the game.

Good point there Jim.

There's another aspect of my play I would like to share. Because now I don't use "customize" card as I used to be, I have more time to observe the shoe, the bias, the pattern (not only in the main road but also on the other 3 roads).

I have more time to think about what would I do next, whether winning or losing. Because no "mechanical" system to dictate me, I could stop my betting anytime I like, or keep on riding streaks/chops.

Have anyone notice this march is basically "trending" march? XcD once said he won often when "following" what the shoe is showing, rather than against it.

But this march really made me think "outside" the box. Being a "mechanical" player for a while, now I could recall  the first time I played this game, not knowing anything, and make more money than when I have a "system"

Really, sometimes know too much could kill you.

[Garfield]

Maybe I would vote for MM now rather than BS. LoL. MM + timing