Sputnik's March

Atlantis · February 21, 2016, 09:39:02 AM

I agree with asymbacguy's comments.

@Gambler,

I flatbet the results you gave...

B
P
B
B
B
P
B
B lose-stop -1
P
P
P
B
B win-stop +0*
B
B
B
P
P win-stop +1*
B
B win-stop +2*
P
P win-stop +3*
B
P lose-stop +2
P
B
B
B
P
B lose-stop +1
P
B win +2
P win +3*
P lose-stop +2
B
P
P lose-stop +1
B
B
B
B
P
B lose-stop +0
B
P
P
P
B
P lose-stop -1
P
P
P
B
P
P lose-stop -2
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P win-stop -1
B
P
B last series was 2-1 followed by 2 chops (singles) so next bet would be = Player

A.

Gambler · February 21, 2016, 10:25:21 AM

Atlantis - Thanks for the illustration. I got the same result as well..-2...

This is one of the toughest shoe with this method, and going down with a cpl of units is not bad..

RouletteFan · February 21, 2016, 04:22:38 PM

@antlantis

hello

can you please explain again step by how you play ?

a lot of people over would to enter the discussion but they don't understand how to play

thank

plolp · February 21, 2016, 04:51:17 PM

roulette fan ,what do you not understand ?

plolp · February 21, 2016, 05:04:53 PM

It is true that there atlantis contradictory attacks.
Missing attacks too.

Atlantis · February 21, 2016, 07:01:50 PM

Hi,

For clarification I wish BEAT-THE-WHEEL would come back on...
As BigEZ reports he has now deleted his example from this thread (WHY, I wonder??) and not as yet answered my request for confirmation on my example.

Basically method is same as Sputnik's second march detailed earlier with the modifications I showed in my last 2 examples
(follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" ONE TIME ONLY if last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order)

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP

example 2
------------
r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP

A.

PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!

PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...

Tomla · February 21, 2016, 08:47:13 PM

I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP

------

r
r
b ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series be a 3 and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1

Atlantis · February 21, 2016, 10:29:45 PM

Quote from: Tomla on February 21, 2016, 08:47:13 PM
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series

series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP

------

r
r
b ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series be a 3 and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1

Hi tomla,

It was two different examples I was showing there tomla - they were separate session unconnected "snippets"!
(I've now made that clear in the post)
But if they had been consecutive results then you are right the last 2 series would have been 3-3 - so you would need to go further back to get an earlier different series, which in that case would have been series 2; so you would arrive at 3-2.

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP

Hope this helps,
A.

Tomla · February 22, 2016, 12:03:46 AM

thanks atlantis--got ya

plolp · February 22, 2016, 12:08:05 AM

I take the same example

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP

Atlantis · February 22, 2016, 11:02:12 AM

Quote from: plolp on February 22, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
I take the same example

r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP

Hi plolp,

Yes- I have played that way also with success. But out of the two ways which of them is the right one? - and does it matter anyway?
We need beat-the-wheel to come on and give his view. Also I would value Sputnik opinion on the correct way.
My feeling is that the way I interpreted it from beat-the-wheel's now deleted example IS the right one. (The example he deleted in reply#129) I took care and spent time over that when I made the example in my reply#134 on page 9. But we'll only know for sure when he himself verifies it as being correct.

Thanks,
A.

Gambler · February 22, 2016, 12:18:57 PM

Atlantis - What kind of MM you follow?. Flat betting or progression. If progression then what is your line?

RouletteFan · February 22, 2016, 01:42:44 PM

here is the deleyed post from beat the wheel

hey why you participate to a forum and after you delay your post and you don't want to share anymore

Thus I discover a way to bet the single and , avoid the series2&3!!!

B
B -
P -SINGLE
B -SINGLE
P win -1st
B WIN -2nd
B=LOSE 1
B
B -
P
P -
B
B win -3rd
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P=WIN 4th
P =LOSE -2
B --SINGLE
P --SINGLE
B WIN 5th
B =LOSE -3
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P WIN 6th
P LOSE 4
P
P
P
P
P
P -
B
B
B -
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P win -7th
B=LOSE 5
B -
P --SINGLE
B -SINGLE
P win -8
B win -9
P win -10
B WIN-11
B =LOSE -7
P
P
P -
B
B WIN 12
B -
P
P
P
P
P -
B
B -
P
P-WIN13
P
P -
B
B=WIN14
B -
P -
B
B =LOSE -8
P

Ehtelgaeb · February 22, 2016, 01:55:41 PM

Thanks Roulette Fan! And everyone else working on this.

Atlantis · February 22, 2016, 02:49:37 PM

Hi roulettefan,

Yes - that is the one. Thanks for reposting it. That does clear it up and answer my question then.

I checked it again and I am right. My example DOES adhere to same rules and match beat-the-wheel's way and does not include the extra betting that plolp showed/did...
The question remains as to why B-T-W deleted it - and at the moment we can only speculate....

Regards,
A.