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[Big EZ]

Atlantis....

Is this how this shoe is played with BTW way

p
b
p w
p x
b
p
p x
p
p
p
p
p
b
p
p x
p
p
p
b
b
b
p
b x
b x
p
p
b
p x
p x
b
p
b w
b x
b
p
b
b x
p
b
b x
b
p
p

[Gambler]

Atlantis - The most important way to capture single as per BTW is to bet after 2 chops...BP-> B, after 12, 13 series.

But i see in one of your exaples you didn't follow this way

[Atlantis]

Atlantis - The most important way to capture single as per BTW is to bet after 2 chops...BP-> B, after 12, 13 series.

But i see in one of your exaples you didn't follow this way

Agreed. I probably make mistake.

A.

[Atlantis]

Hi BigEZ,

I think this right:

P
B
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
B
B
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
B
P
B w+1
B L-1 stop
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
B
B L-1 stop
B
P
P

-6 flat.

Unlucky but maybe due for reversal of fortune?

As Gambler remarked a mild progression will be required at times:
gr8player
best of 5
penthouse
progressive cycles
some GLC ideas I cannot just think of right now...

Someone may care to share a good idea for staking plan that will suit this.

A.

[Gambler]

This looks like a horrible shoe...when we see that we are going down by -2 to -3 straight away, i would suggest better STOP playing the shoe, else it will be hard to recover back.

[Atlantis]

This looks like a horrible shoe...when we see that we are going down by -2 to -3 straight away, i would suggest better STOP playing the shoe, else it will be hard to recover back.

Yes. I wonder if it is better on roulette? It's just, I mean the cards are shuffled and then they remain in a fixed state or sequence thereafter until the next shuffle; whereas each roulette wheelspin is an independent event and the upcoming result is not already set or predetermined like in the stack of cards that sit motionless and unaltered in the shoe.

I can't believe I just wrote that   

A.

[Gambler]

Yes. I wonder if it is better on roulette? It's just, I mean the cards are shuffled and then they remain in a fixed state or sequence thereafter until the next shuffle; whereas each roulette wheelspin is an independent event and the upcoming result is not already set or predetermined like in the stack of cards that sit motionless and unaltered in the shoe.

I can't believe I just wrote that   

A.

Well quite possible...I stopped playing roulette long back so, but in Baccarat if you go down straight away, then you will only go down deep if you continue to fight. I have been a victim many times but lessons learnt

[Atlantis]

Just out of interest here is BigEZ result using the Sputnik Second March way:

P
B
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
B
B L-1
B w+1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
P L-1

11 won
16 lost
-5 flat.

A.

[Atlantis]

Sputnik gone very quiet just of late.
Perhaps he is working hard still on the "waves" idea?
I still do not understand that one yet! 

A.

[Big EZ]

Just out of interest here is BigEZ result using the Sputnik Second March way:

P
B
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
B
B L-1
B w+1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
P L-1

11 won
16 lost
-5 flat.

A.

This is how the 2nd march should look like using the rules that Sputnik has posted. Here are the rules also just to be clear....



Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.


p 1
b 1
p   x  -1
p 2 w   0
b 1
p   w   1
p   w   2
p
p
p
p
p 3
b 1
p   w   3
p   w   4
p
p
p 3
b
b   x   3
b 3 x   2, now wait for Virtual Win
p 1
b   w      trigger start again
b 2 w   3
p
p 2 x   2
b 1 x   1   now wait for Virtual Win
p   w      trigger start again
p 2 w   2
b 1
p 1 w   3
b   x   2
b   w   3
b 3
p 1
b   w   4
b 2 w   5
p 1
b   w   6
b   w   7
b 3
p
p   x   6

[Atlantis]

Hi BigEZ,

Yes- you're right... He does mention wait for VIRTUAL win after 2 L's before restarting!!
How odd - I don't remember that at all.
And yet that example you quoted is the ONLY time he employs it -  throughout all later examples he doesn't do that!
Also, he never picked me up on that on my posted examples... So maybe he dropped the virtual thing after all?!
Anyway - not a bad idea. It will certainly affect the result of the second march used on those results you posted earlier, won't it?
B-T-W doesn't employ it in his way either - maybe a similar rule should be applied to that too though? Wot U think?

A.

[Tomla]

that's the issue there are no hard and clear rules--I wish there was

[AsymBacGuy]

There are some general arrangements that could be made in order to get a better "control" over the outcomes.

Ok, itlr every event will be equally placed according to its mathematical expectation, but at the same time we might get some help just knowing this assumption.

In the shortest terms players can easily win, otherwise casinos wouldn't exist. Hence itlr casinos will catch our money, it's just a matter of time. 

For once let's make the casinos part, hoping to get something on the long term.

So our purpose will be to possibly lose on short terms, aiming to get a kind of edge on long terms.

In a word we're acting to try to be losers most of the times and winners on long terms.

If you think any beatable game (as black jack or poker) will follow this line: most of the times we bet small wagers hoping to get a favourable count or folding most part of poker hands that itlr will show a sure EV- value.

Unfortunately, we baccarat players want to guess right any shoe and if we won't  succeed in that we'll try to promptly get the best of it by raising our bets.
I was the number one in doing that, so I'm not berating anyone.

Back to the original topic, it won't so difficult to see that specific 1-2-3 distributions in any order cannot last for long but at the same time that cannot be "silent" for long either.
Up to a point where we'll be 99% sure that after a given amount of shoes a series of certain events must take place.

That means to wait and just observe (or bet light) a fair amount of shoes and to assess some "virtual losses" appearance even knowing that in the process we might miss good opportunities.

To give a vulgar example, if after 10 shoes the B/P ratio registered is 52/48 or 49/51 you can bet everything you have on your name that such deviated ratios will come closer to the 50.68/49.32 expected proposition on the next shoes. And a careful registration of singles, doubles and triples will get a better probability to follow the expected long term situations than a mere B/P registration.

I don't mean that after doing this we'll necessarily get an edge, it would be too easy.

Imo it's just a good start.

as.   

 




 




 

 











   






 

     

[RouletteGhost]

some CATS swear by the gr8player progression

they don't post anymore

either they are in the riches or lost the lot

[Gambler]

It's better if the person who started this topic/thread clarify which is the correct method to play?

Wonder why has he gone silent?