Sputnik's March

Gambler · February 23, 2016, 02:28:32 AM

Quote from: Big EZ on February 22, 2016, 05:07:12 PM

This is how the 2nd march should look like using the rules that Sputnik has posted. Here are the rules also just to be clear....

Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.

p 1
b 1
p x -1
p 2 w 0
b 1
p w 1
p w 2
p
p
p
p
p 3
b 1
p w 3
p w 4
p
p
p 3
b
b x 3
b 3 x 2, now wait for Virtual Win
p 1
b w trigger start again
b 2 w 3
p
p 2 x 2
b 1 x 1 now wait for Virtual Win
p w trigger start again
p 2 w 2
b 1
p 1 w 3
b x 2
b w 3
b 3
p 1
b w 4
b 2 w 5
p 1
b w 6
b w 7
b 3
p
p x 6

In my opinion this is not the correct way to play. You are ideally betting against the singles/chops, which doesn't sound good as they sshow up often and this way of betting will be no good.

Having said that this method worked for this shoe, but most of the times it will take you nowhere.

marinetech · February 23, 2016, 04:05:40 AM

why else do you think there is silence? it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. simple. flip quarters, same outcome.....no betting method can do any better than FLD or OLD. pick one and go for it....

BetJack · February 23, 2016, 06:21:52 AM

Quote from: marinetech on February 23, 2016, 04:05:40 AM
why else do you think there is silence? it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. simple. flip quarters, same outcome.....no betting method can do any better than FLD or OLD. pick one and go for it....

LIKE I said Martingale is the best....

Big EZ · February 23, 2016, 01:18:08 PM

Quote from: Gambler on February 23, 2016, 02:28:32 AM
In my opinion this is not the correct way to play. You are ideally betting against the singles/chops, which doesn't sound good as they sshow up often and this way of betting will be no good.

Having said that this method worked for this shoe, but most of the times it will take you nowhere.

Gambler,

The example above is how march 2 is played. If the shoe/session is a lot of chops you will be watching it and not placing bets (most of the time). March 2 fails if there are back to back repeats of the dozens. If you play march 1 then you get all the chops and the only thing that will make you lose will be 3 unique dozens in a row.

So you pick your own way to approach the shoe, if one of the marches is producing a negative result the other one will be producing a positive one. This is just my observation

Garfield · February 23, 2016, 01:36:26 PM

Agree with above statement. If one fail then another will work. You'll just have to decide which one.

50/50 again.

B/P

Chops/Streaks

Repeat/Opposite

Pick one.

Still_Learning · February 23, 2016, 03:22:01 PM

This was a bad shoe. will lose on a 1 and 2 series back to back. 1212

P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
T
B
P
B   W
B   L
P
B
B   L
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P   L
B
B
B
B
B
P
B   L
P
P   L
B
P
P   L
B
P
B   W
B   L
B
P
P
B
P   L
B
B   L
T
B
B
B
B
B
P
T
B
T
B   L
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B   W
P
B   L
B
B   L
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P   L
B
P

Big EZ · February 23, 2016, 03:46:23 PM

Still......

Not sure what march you were trying to play, but this is how it looks with march 2. And a 121212 pattern will not make you lose with march 1

P 1
B 1
P 1 x
B 1 x
P
P
P
P 3
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B
B x
B w
B
B 3
P 1
B 1 w
P x
P 2 w
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B w
B 3
P
P 2 x
B 1 w
P 1 w
B x
B w
B
B
B
B
B 3
P 1
B w
B 2 w
P
P x
P w
P 3
B
B 2 x
P 1 w
B w
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B w
B
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P w

ending +9

Still_Learning · February 23, 2016, 03:53:59 PM

I was playing the Beat the wheel.

Gambler · February 23, 2016, 03:59:41 PM

Quote from: Still_Learning on February 23, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
This was a bad shoe. will lose on a 1 and 2 series back to back. 1212

P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
T
B
P
B   W
B   L
P
B
B   L
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P   L
B
B
B
B
B
P
B   L
P
P   L
B
P
P   L
B
P
B   W
B   L
B
P
P
B
P   L
B
B   L
T
B
B
B
B
B
P
T
B
T
B   L
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B   W
P
B   L
B
B   L
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P   L
B
P

This is a real bad one. So when you have 2 losses in a row, you can better apply the virtual win rule.

With this atleast the loss will be minimal, say -2 to -3 and this will force you skip this shoe in this case...there will be plenty of shoes where you can cash in on the singles/chops, so don't rush and be patient...

Gambler · February 23, 2016, 04:09:36 PM

Quote from: Big EZ on February 23, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Still......

Not sure what march you were trying to play, but this is how it looks with march 2. And a 121212 pattern will not make you lose with march 1

P 1
B 1
P 1 x
B 1 x
P
P
P
P 3
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B
B x
B w
B
B 3
P 1
B 1 w
P x
P 2 w
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B w
B 3
P
P 2 x
B 1 w
P 1 w
B x
B w
B
B
B
B
B 3
P 1
B w
B 2 w
P
P x
P w
P 3
B
B 2 x
P 1 w
B w
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B w
B
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P w

ending +9

Again this method works for this shoe, but personally i'm not in favor of going against the singles/chops bcuz it will be a disaster sooner or later

Also you never know how a particular shoe behaves until you see the end result after you bet for you to switch BS method in between.

Better stick with one and abide by the rules...

Gambler · February 23, 2016, 04:42:14 PM

These are all live shoes, few of which i played...better ppl can test these 2 methods and which ever works well, can stick with it.

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2 PPPPPBBBBTPPPPPBTPBBBBTPBBTBTPBPPPBBBPBB
PBBBPPPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTPBBPTBBPBPBBBPPPPPPPB

3 BBBBPTBBBPPBBBBBPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBBPBBPBBB
BBPPBBBPBBBPBBPBBTBPBPBPPPPPPBBBBBT

4 PBBBBPBPBBPTBBBBBPPTPTBBBPPPPBPBPBPPBTBPB
BBBBPPPBPTBBBBBTPPPBBBBTBPPBBPPBBBBBPTPP

5 PPPPTPPBBPPBPBPTPBTBPBBBBBPPBBPPPBPBPP
TBPBPBBPTPPBBPBBBBPBPPPTPBPPBBBBBTBBBT

6 PBBBPBPBPTTPPPBBBBBPTPBBBBBBPBBTPPBBBP
BPPTPBBPBTPBBPBBBBPPPBTBPTPBPPBBBBTBBBP

7 TBPPBBBPBBBBPBBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBBPBPPPPPPB
BBPBPPPBBBPPTTBBPBBPPBBPPBPPBPPBBBBPPBB

8 BBBBPPPBPPPPTPPPPPBBBTBPPBPTPBBBBBPPBBP
PPPBBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPBBPBBBPBBTBBT

9 PPBPTPBPPBBPPPPPPPPPPBPBPBBPPBPPPBPBBBBTB
BBPPBPPPBPPPBPPBTBPPPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBTBBB

10 PPBPPTBBPPBBPPPPBBTBPPPTPPPBPTBBBBPBBBB
PPTPBTPPPBPPBPTTPPTPPBPPBTPBBBBBBPBTBPBB

11 PBBBBBBBPPPPBTPBTPPTBPPPBBPPBBBPPTBBPPBB
BTPBBBBBBPPBPPTPPBBPBBBPPBPBBPBPBTPP

12 PBPPBPPPPBPBBPPPTBBPPBBPPPTPPPBPPBBTPBPPP
BPPPPPBBPBBBPPBBPPBBPPPBBPBBBBBPB

13 BTTPPPPPBPBPPBPBBTBPBTTPBBBTPPBPTPBTBBTBB
PBBPPPBPBPPPBPPPPBPPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPBBBP

14 BBPBPPTBBBBTBPPBBBBBPBPBPBBBTBPPPPBBBBPB
TPBPPPBBBPPBPPPPBBBPTBBBPBPBBBBPPPPPPBBB

15 BBBPPBPPPBTTPBPPBBPPBPBPPPBPPBPBPPBPBBBBP
PBBBPBBBBBPPBPBPBBPBTBPBTBBBBBPBPPBBBPTB

16 PPPBBTBBPBBBBBPPPBPTPPBBBPPBBBPPPBPPBBPPP
BPPPPTPTPPPBPPPBPBBPBPPPBBBBBBPBBBBBTB

17 BPBTBPPPPPBBBBPBPBBPPBPBBBPBPPBPPPBPBBPTP
PBBBPBTBBBPTTTBBBBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBB

18 PPBPTTPTPPBPBBPBBBBPTBBBPTPPBTBBPBPBBBBPT
PPBBPPBBPBTPBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBP

19 PPTTPPBBPBTBPPTBBBPBBBBBBBPBPPBBPBBPTBPBP
PBTBBBPPBPPPPTTPTTPTPBPPTTBTBPPPPBBBBPBP

20 BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBTTTTPPBBPTTPBPPBBBPBPBPPT
BPPBBBBTPTBBPPPBPPPPBPTPTBBPPBBBBBPPBPB

21 BTPPPBPPBPPPBPBTBBBBPBBTBPTBBBBBBBTPBPPPP
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22 PBBBPBPPPBBBTPPBPBBPBPPPPPPPBBBTPBBBBBPPP
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24 PPPBBBPBBPBBBBTBBPBBPBPPBPPPBBPPBPPPBBBPB
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25 PTBBPBPPPPBPPBBPTBPTBPBBPTPPBBPPPBPBPBPTTP
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Garfield · February 23, 2016, 04:48:24 PM

First glance, mostly could be won with march 1.

When I played this march, I ALWAYS go for the 4th streaks / chops. That way you could catch if there was long streaks / chops.

IMO.

ps.
You could always quit when you have reached your profit goal. Sometime it doesn't need too many hands to reach that.

Or you could quit at break even or minus 2/3. Find another table.

Once again, IMHO.

Gambler · February 23, 2016, 04:58:19 PM

Quote from: Garfield on February 23, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
First glance, mostly could be won with march 1.

When I played this march, I ALWAYS go for the 4th streaks / chops. That way you could catch if there was long streaks / chops.

IMO.

ps.
You could always quit when you have reached your profit goal. Sometime it doesn't need too many hands to reach that.

Or you could quit at break even or minus 2/3. Find another table.

Once again, IMHO.

Well as long as something works and we are able to make $'s, everyone should be glad...In my case the most i look for in a shoe is +2 units and i'm a happy lot as a unit is considerably big for me, but have to be very cautious no matter what method you play....

Garfield · February 23, 2016, 05:04:37 PM

One march lost to 1-2-3 while the other win. So be flexible in using which march. If you are on a losing streak don't push it. Give it a break.

What I've learned that, I DO BELIEVE there ALWAYS a BIAS in every shoe. BUT, the question is, in which field? March 1? March 2? FLD? OLD? OTBL? TBL? Derived road? Dr.Tom's?

Sometime taking a pause to seek for something in other field could help.

Nowadays I am very flexible with the BS method. If march 1 win, I continue. If not, maybe following the derived road. Or maybe "5D" from BTC's forum is winning. Sometime I just follow streaks/chops.

I've learned in hard way what I called "Stupid ignorance". Already know that the method wasn't working but the "ignorance" busted my BR.

Have you ever felt that?

Sometime I asked myself why I have to be so "hard-headed". What am I trying to prove here? That my BS is the best? Nope. It is all about who walk as a winner at the end of the day.

If a method lose for some shoes it doesn't mean the method isn't working properly. At my online casino I could have up to 12 tables to play. The problem is I couldn't observe everyone of it.

I tried to observe 3 at the same time. But it was very consuming. And you easily get lost between tables. I wish there were 3 or even more "me" so I could play several tables all together.

Sigh.

Garfield · February 23, 2016, 05:08:36 PM

Quote from: Gambler on February 23, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Well as long as something works and we are able to make $'s, everyone should be glad...In my case the most i look for in a shoe is +2 units and i'm a happy lot as a unit is considerably big for me, but have to be very cautious no matter what method you play....

Well if I were you, for 2u goals I would bet till I reach it or lost 2u. Then I will change table. Maybe just a single bet of 2u. Win or losing, quit the table.

For me it isn't worth to risk more than 2u to gain 2u.

But that's just me.