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[Matt]

I know there are a few people on this forum that use the star system as their bread and butter.
I have unfortunately  injured myself and will be off work for a month or so with not much to do and am contemplating playing the star system with my betselection at online live dealer baccarat.
Can I ask people who are long time users of this system a few questions:

What variation of star do you use?
What bankroll is required?
What is average drawdown and largest drawdown?
How often will it bust?
What are the average win units per shoe or number of shoes?
What $ value do you reccomend as base bet to make it worth the while?
Thanks

[soxfan]

I would never use star, as written, with any less than the 4000 units bankroll, hey hey.

[Jimske]

I know there are a few people on this forum that use the star system as their bread and butter.
I have unfortunately  injured myself and will be off work for a month or so with not much to do and am contemplating playing the star system with my betselection at online live dealer baccarat.
Can I ask people who are long time users of this system a few questions:

What variation of star do you use?
What bankroll is required?
What is average drawdown and largest drawdown?
How often will it bust?
What are the average win units per shoe or number of shoes?
What $ value do you reccomend as base bet to make it worth the while?
Thanks

Have you read star and fooled around with it on a piece of paper?  Maybe online minimum $1.00 and big maximum you could give it a go but even at $5 minimum it will require huge bank.  Run through it on some test with various amounts and see how it sits with you.

Maybe "Baccarat Attack" would be better?

[Matt]

Have you read star and fooled around with it on a piece of paper?  Maybe online minimum $1.00 and big maximum you could give it a go but even at $5 minimum it will require huge bank.  Run through it on some test with various amounts and see how it sits with you.

Maybe "Baccarat Attack" would be better?

No i have not done much testing with it yet as i would like to find out about the variations first.
Ok i will take a look at baccarat attack too.
Cheers

[Matt]

I would never use star, as written, with any less than the 4000 units bankroll, hey hey.

Is there a variation of system you would reccomend?

[horus]

Have a read of this Matt.

It's called 'elongated star' and was posted up by 'johno' years ago.

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=611&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board

This is probably as good a discussion as you are going to get on a public message board discussing the Star method and different variations.

cheers

[Matt]

Have a read of this Matt.

It's called 'elongated star' and was posted up by 'johno' years ago.

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=611&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board

This is probably as good a discussion as you are going to get on a public message board discussing the Star method and different variations.

cheers

Ok thanks horus i will have a look

[soxfan]

The star style is a combination parlay/double win, so lots of variations with some costing more or less unit on the bust out, hey hey.

Is there a variation of system you would reccomend?

[Sputnik]

Star System Variant

    Here is a little progression that was first introduced by Carsch on GG.

    It is a variant of the original Star System (one of the better public MM systems available on the web), but is better. It requires only about 55% of the original star systems BR and only busts after 30 straight losses...

    Any two wins clear the progression. It allows you to catch streaks, as well as allows you to not go broke with WLWLWL.

    The progression

    Base level:
    1
    1
    2
    2
    4
    4
    8
    8
    16
    16 

See how to play below. 

    1 win & parlay (lose and move on to the next bet)
    1 win & parlay (lose and move on to the next bet)
    2 win & repeat the same bet (In here, in order to move on to the next step, you must lose this bet the first time, or win it and then lose it twice in a row)
    2 win & parlay (lose and move on to the next bet)
    4 win & repeat the same bet (In here, in order to move on to the next step, you must lose this bet the first time, or win it and then lose it twice in a row)
    4 win & parlay (lose and move on to the next bet)
    8 win & repeat the same bet (In here, in order to move on to the next step, you must lose this bet the first time, or win it and then lose it twice in a row)
    8 win & parlay (lose and move on to the next bet)
    16 win & repeat the same bet (In here, in order to move on to the next step, you must lose this bet the first time, or win it and then lose it twice in a row)
    16 win & parlay (lose and move on to Recovery 1)

    Recovery 1 (this is played just like above)

    2
    2
    4
    4
    8
    8
    16
    16
    32
    32

    Recovery 2  (This too is played just like above)

    6
    6
    12
    12
    24
    24
    48
    48
    96
    96

As you can see, it requires 558 units to play base level, recovery 1 and recovery 2.

Base level = 62 units
Recovery 1 = 124 units
Recovery 2 = 372 units

[Lung Yeh]

Are there really people who have the psychological mental strength to bet on negative progressions up to what, 80-90 times their base bet? So, if you lose say 100 as a base bet, you bet progessively up to 9000? If you start with 1,000, you end up betting 90,000?

Is this for real or is this theoretical? I would love to see such a mentally strong gambler in action. I would be a total wreck  at 20, maybe 30 times base bet. Especially in a negative progression where you have been recording losing bets after losing bets and continuing to increase your bet size.

[21 Aces]

Why is a system that needs that much progression 'to work' even worth considering?  Anyone with some skill in the game should be able to play without that risk/ leverage and those with money should seek out a source to get them skill if they can't develop it themselves.

[soxfan]

That's why I always say that balls and bankroll are the reason why a select few cats can win regular, hey hey.

Are there really people who have the psychological mental strength to bet on negative progressions up to what, 80-90 times their base bet? So, if you lose say 100 as a base bet, you bet progessively up to 9000? If you start with 1,000, you end up betting 90,000?

Is this for real or is this theoretical? I would love to see such a mentally strong gambler in action. I would be a total wreck  at 20, maybe 30 times base bet. Especially in a negative progression where you have been recording losing bets after losing bets and continuing to increase your bet size.

[Jimske]

Are there really people who have the psychological mental strength to bet on negative progressions up to what, 80-90 times their base bet? So, if you lose say 100 as a base bet, you bet progessively up to 9000? If you start with 1,000, you end up betting 90,000?

Is this for real or is this theoretical? I would love to see such a mentally strong gambler in action. I would be a total wreck  at 20, maybe 30 times base bet. Especially in a negative progression where you have been recording losing bets after losing bets and continuing to increase your bet size.

Sure.  Why not?  You can use a progression with asymbacc method.  He has run millions of trials and has proved there is an edge.  But first you might ask him to answer two simple questions.  What are average number of bet opportunities per shoe or decisions and what his strike rate % is.  Surely he has this info.  How else could he know that his was a winning method?  Then you can go to the casino and bet as much as your bankroll will allow.

[Sputnik]

That's why I always say that balls and bankroll are the reason why a select few cats can win regular, hey hey.

I agree with Soxfan - you have to fight the worst and extreme to win on regular basis.

Cheers