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[Albalaha]

I have been talking to Izak for long. He weaves systems around zumma books only. All his methods are playable but nothing makes any difference in real play in long run. I do not know much about Tabone's but we have many members using his system who can write a true review. A long run simulation on a random sample would do justice with any test.

[Atlantis]

Thanks albalaha for sharing your experience with the various Izak systems.
I've only tried abt 3 or 4 of his - and it's what I thought.
I don't think I'll be purchasing any of them quite soon myself - he does have quite an awful lot of them, doesn't he? covering all forms of gambling - but he does have regular special offers and occasionally gives out free systems via his newsletter. His forum is also quite good (LTW)
Unlike Tabone he has his own site + systems + forum. People know where they stand. He doesn't seem to splash or mass bombard other forums with his announcements; but only to those who have signed up with him. Tabone could learn a thing or two from him.

we have many members using his system who can write a true review. A long run simulation on a random sample would do justice with any test.

This more to the point and would be a far more interesting. Love to see that too. Let the truth come out for all to see - not just hang on what might be dodgy or suspect claims from the system originator. Thanks.

[ADulay]

I have been talking to Izak for long. He weaves systems around zumma books only. All his methods are playable but nothing makes any difference in real play in long run. I do not know much about Tabone's but we have many members using his system who can write a true review. A long run simulation on a random sample would do justice with any test.

Albalaha,

  Very true about Izak's stuff.  Mostly worked around Zumma for data and display.  Most of his stuff carries a high wager somewhere in the mix as he like to press on losses.

  As to reviewing Tabone's stuff, there are several people here who can and would give it a fair test on a long term basis, but evidently that's not to be as nobody will purchase the thing at whatever price it is today.  Hopefully it will eventually drift into the internet somewhere and we can all test it, but in the mean time, it's just all talk in spite of the glowing reports from many NEW members.

  AD

[VLS]

Anyhow, I'm leaving this forum again, forever. Goodbye.

Stephen, we know you are a man of your word, but just to remove the temptation of breaking your firm decision of leaving as per your word, you account has been removed from the forum to align us with your expressed intention/wishes.

[Albalaha]

and never forget the biggest difference between Izak vs anybody else. He offers moneyback on any of his books. Hence if you feel that by paying him you feel getting nothing, ask for a moneyback within a stipulated time frame and he honors that.

[alrelax]

BTW, anyone wanting to sell a system or a book must first explain the reader how the random walk works.

Then discussing the absorbing probabilities, the probability of success after x trials, the risk of ruin, the expected standard deviation values of the method adopted and so on.

If the seller isn't going to touch those scientific issues, tell the writer or the seller to reassess his/her work.

Nobody will. As they don't know what you are talking about. 

as.   

Excellent!  Most, when questioned usually just throw back a question to you, and attempt to turn the tables and make it appear as through your question or yourself is far beneath their 'baccarat intelligence' and system they are attempting to portray as rock-solid something no one else has ever seen, discovered or learned in the hundreds of years the game has been played.  Etc.

And, Tabone is not the first one, he just studied the internet and Googled it all up--IMO.  His attempted sales tactics into threats, attempted power and knowledge, along with all the rest--just propelled himself into the spotlight with the help of the 3 to 6 members on this board that live for the drama and the in-fighting trying to stir the proverbial pot into chaos, is the best way to phrase it all.