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Sputnik · February 20, 2015, 01:32:20 PM

Once a member with he name John mention that he play each and every trail.
I don't remember the reasion why he did this, but i tought it was impressive, doing that with out losing.
Maybe the reasion was that he was alone at table and could not get a trigger and needed action.
Not sure if he flat betting or use other MM.

Now i find a march or arlgorithm that i like very much, it allow you to play each and every trail.
So 200 trails is 200 placed bets.

I test this march with both flat betting and conservative MM.
This is how it looks like flat betting:

http://youtu.be/3Om738eawms

Sputnik · February 20, 2015, 01:33:50 PM

If some one post the results from one shoe i will show how the march works.

Cheers

Tomla · February 20, 2015, 03:35:05 PM

BBPBPBPPPPBBPBPBPBBPBBBBPPPPPBPPPBBBPBBPPPPBPPBPBBBPBBPPBPBBBBPPPPB

looking forward to the march

Sputnik · February 20, 2015, 03:50:02 PM

I bet against XOX formation at all times and give me 7 against 1 odds.
But you can use any other of the 8 combinations, but this is my favorite.
Now if i lose and get XOX formation then i bet it will not continue XOXXOXXOXXOX and so on.

Variance and fluctation effect this way of betting very much.
When you strike long winnings you stay in positive area.
Can be series or zig zag strikes.

B
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1
P L -2
B W -1
P W +0
P L -1
P W +0
P W +1
B L +0
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1
P L -2
B W -1
P W +0
B W +1
B L +0
P L -1
B L -2
B W -1
B W +0
B W +1
P L +0
P W +1
P W +2
P W +3
P W +4
B L +3
P L +2
P W +3
P W +4
B L +3
B W +4
B W +5
P L +4
B L +3
B W +4
P L +3
P W +4
P W +5
P W +6
B L +5
P L +4
P W +5
B L +4
P L +3
B L +2
B L +1
B W +2
P L +1
B L +0
B W +1
P L +0
P W +1
B L +0
P L -1
B L -2
B L -3
B W -2
B W -1
P L -2
P W -1
P W +0
P W +1
B L +0

Sputnik · February 20, 2015, 04:18:32 PM

I test this method with agressive progression and with conservative progression - both wins.

Agressive progression.
You follow the ladder up and down during play.

1-2-4

1-3-6

2-4-8

2-6-12

3-6-12

3-9-18

4-8-16

4-12-24

5-10-20

5-15-30

7-14-28

7-21-42

9-18-36

9-27-54

12-24-48

12-36-72

15-30-60

15-45-90

Conservative progression.
You follow the ladder up and down.

1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
3
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
7
8
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Tomla · February 20, 2015, 04:29:34 PM

basic anti-trend bet --you should be able to pick spots to get out at plus 3 most shoes flat betting but some shoes will lose.

Tomla · February 20, 2015, 05:18:58 PM

well well we have the Grail then!

,,, no point in reading forums anymore!!

WorldBaccaratKing · February 21, 2015, 07:37:03 AM

sputnik or tomla, can you explain how you play again? Im still confused, maybe its late and can't see right!

steve6969 · February 21, 2015, 06:12:54 PM

Quote from: Jimske on February 21, 2015, 04:18:08 PM
interesting. This looks like the exact same method that I've posted several times im different websites. It's what I called my default bet placement. basically what it is you follow until lose 2 in a row the follow chop until lose to a repeat and continue

so you're always looking for the single to stay a single and when t doesn't you've lost two in a row so you bet chop

as I've also mentioned about this method is that a good way to tweak it histo after you get one in a row bed straight down that side kind of like Ellis old f2/3

it's no Grail but you're pretty good default method. I've used it a long time

looking at this that was my first thought

WorldBaccaratKing · February 21, 2015, 08:25:28 PM

so follow 2x, if you lose 2 in a row, bet the chop, if you lose the chop (its now 2 in a row), bet that it goes to 3?

Tomla · February 21, 2015, 08:46:31 PM

re looking ---im not following the bet here also

WorldBaccaratKing · February 21, 2015, 08:55:46 PM

Quote from: Sputnik on February 20, 2015, 03:50:02 PM
I bet against XOX formation at all times and give me 7 against 1 odds.
But you can use any other of the 8 combinations, but this is my favorite.
Now if i lose and get XOX formation then i bet it will not continue XOXXOXXOXXOX and so on.

Variance and fluctation effect this way of betting very much.
When you strike long winnings you stay in positive area.
Can be series or zig zag strikes.

B
B W +1 FOLLOW +1
P L +0 FOLLOW EVEN (LOSER #1)
B L -1
P L -2
B W -1
P W +0
P L -1
P W +0
P W +1
B L +0
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1
P L -2
B W -1
P W +0
B W +1
B L +0
P L -1
B L -2
B W -1
B W +0
B W +1
P L +0
P W +1
P W +2
P W +3
P W +4
B L +3
P L +2
P W +3
P W +4
B L +3
B W +4
B W +5
P L +4
B L +3
B W +4
P L +3
P W +4
P W +5
P W +6
B L +5
P L +4
P W +5
B L +4
P L +3
B L +2
B L +1
B W +2
P L +1
B L +0
B W +1
P L +0
P W +1
B L +0
P L -1
B L -2
B L -3
B W -2
B W -1
P L -2
P W -1
P W +0
P W +1
B L +0

Playing it how Jim describes you get:
B
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1 switch to CHOP now
P W 0 even
B W 1
P W +2
P L +1 switch to FOLLOW now
P W +2
P W +3
B L +2
B W +3
P L +2
B L +1 switch to CHOP now
P W +2
B W +3
P W +4
B W +5
B L +4 switch to FOLLOW now
P L +3
B L +2 switch to CHOP now
B L +1 switch to FOLLOW now
B W +2
B W +3
P L +2
P W +3
P W +4
P W +5
P W +6
B L +5
P L +4 switch to CHOP now
P L +3 switch to FOLLOW now
P W +4
B L +3
B W +4
B W +5
P L +4
B L +3 switch to CHOP now
B L +2 switch to FOLLOW now
P L +1
P W +2
P W +3
P W +4
B L +3
P L +2 switch to CHOP now
P l +1 switch to FOLLOW now
B L 0
P L -1 switch to CHOP NOW
B W 0
B L -1 switch to FOLLOW now
B W +0
P L -1
B L -2 switch to chop now
B L -3 switch to follow now
P L -4
P W -3
B L -4
P L -5 switch to chop now
B W -4
B L -5 switch to follow now
B W -4
B W -3
P L -4
P W -3
P W -2
P W -1
B L -2

Shoe had a high of +6, low of -5. Need to use high limits to make worthwhile. I will try later using PH progression see how it would have done...

This is very similar to something I used before as well...

Simply, I would bet for chops and when it went to "2", I bet it went to "3". If I lost that bet, I went back to betting chops. So, I had "1" nemesis, which is the dreaded "2's". They did kill me a # of times......can't cover every option though, pick your poison...My local casino I see 2x2x2x2x2x2x2 quite often. I would guess I see at least 4-6 every night which is why I stopped my way of playing.....

I like the way Jim does it, im going to use PH and see how it goes, will update....

WorldBaccaratKing · February 22, 2015, 03:44:14 AM

Im going to add a tweak to this and see if any better.

B
B W +1
P
B L 0
P L -1 CHOP MODE SWITCH
B
P
P
P L -2 SWITCH TO FOLLOW
P W -1
B
B W 0
P
B L -1
P L -2 SWITCH TO CHOP
B
P
B
B
P W-1
B w 0
B l -1 switch to follow
B w 0
B
P
P W +1
P
P
P
B
P L 0
P W +1
P
B
B W +2
B
P
B L +1
B W +2
P
P W +3
P
P
B
P L +2
P W+3
B
P L +2
B L +1 SWITCH TO CHOP
B
B L 0 SWITCH TO FOLLOW
P L -1
B L -2 switch to chop
B l -3 switch to follow
P l -4
P w -3
B
P l-4
B l -5 switch to chop
B
B l -6 switch to follow
B w -5
P
P W -4
P
P
B

Shoe ended -4. High was +3 low was -6 and was done entirely flat betting. Far less decisions. Is it better? I don't know......Not sure if you can figure out how I played it, its different...Maybe the seasoned guys can......

Going to try 1st ten shoes of zumma using jims rules and my "tweak". Update when I get time.....

WorldBaccaratKing · February 22, 2015, 04:12:36 AM

I wonder if you used 2 chops instead of 1, makes this better? If you follow 2x, why not chop 2x? Start with 2 follow, then 2 chops.

Lets say B is 1st hand, lets see what we lose to.
1-3-1-3 is what we lose to.......

B 1st hand and follow 2x
P L -1
B L -2 switch chop 2x
B L -3
B L-4 switch follow 2x
P L-5
B L -6

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, gonna try my tweak with the 2x chop....

WorldBaccaratKing · February 22, 2015, 03:27:59 PM

B
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1 chop mode
P w 0
B W 1
P W 2
P L 1
P l 0 follow mode
P W +1
B L +0
B W +1
P L +0
B L -1 chop mode
P w 0
B W 1
P W +2
B W +3
B L 2
P w 3
B w 4
B l 3
B l 2 follow mode
B W +3
P L 2
P W +3
P W +4
P W +5
P W +6
B L +5
P L +4 chop mode
P l 3
P l 2 follow mode
B L +2
B W +3
B W +4
P L +3
B L +2 chop mode
B l 1
P w 2
P l 1
P l 0 follow mode
P W +1
B L 0
P L -1 chop mode
P l -2
B w -1
P w 0
B w 1
B L 0
B l -1 follow mode
P L -2
B L -3 chop mode
B l -4
P w -3
P l -4
B w -3
P w -2
B w -1
B L -2
B l -3 follow mode
B W -2
P L -3
P W -2
P W -1
P W 0
B L -1

High +6, low -4, end -1. This was straight 2 follow after 2 consecutive losses, switch to 2 chops until 2 consecutive losses, rinse and repeat. I didn't do my tweaks on this one. Will try with my tweak....