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[AsymBacGuy]

Don't waste time to test marches, betting selections, MM or whatever.
They all will fail itlr.

We want a system that mathematically will get the best of it itlr, no matter what.

Seat at a EZ table aiming to get a dragon bonus. Then assign a -1 value to any 4,5,6 or 7 card and a +2 value to any 8 or 9 card removed from the deck.
Whenever the true count (actual count compared to the estimated amount of decks left) will reach the +4 or higher point you'll get a sure f undeniable edge over the house.

Itlr you cannot lose but only win. Mathematically.

I know this isn't the solution you were looking for, still is by far the best and sure option to beat baccarat on very long terms. 

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[Garfield]

Too bad I don't have dragon bonus in my casino. Sigh.

[RouletteGhost]

harrahs atlantic city has dragon bonus....

i won a lot of money on it following another player when I first started out and had no idea what i was doing

does counting it work?

[Gambler]

Don't waste time to test marches, betting selections, MM or whatever.
They all will fail itlr.

We want a system that mathematically will get the best of it itlr, no matter what.

Seat at a EZ table aiming to get a dragon bonus. Then assign a -1 value to any 4,5,6 or 7 card and a +2 value to any 8 or 9 card removed from the deck.
Whenever the true count (actual count compared to the estimated amount of decks left) will reach the +4 or higher point you'll get a sure f undeniable edge over the house.

Itlr you cannot lose but only win. Mathematically.

I know this isn't the solution you were looking for, still is by far the best and sure option to beat baccarat on very long terms. 

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Agree..you can beat baccarat mathematically..no bets based on patterns/trends or so called marches will work..just wasste of time and money..

[AsymBacGuy]

Is there a relationship between the number of naturals and the likely hood of a bonus hand?

Could the person I mention in one of my threads actually be looking at the boards for a high number of naturals relative to hands played without a bonus hand?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naturals will cancel any bonus hand probability as bonus hands are by definition the product of drawing hands.

Don't be fooled about the fact that Dragon bonus bets will be payed 1:1 on naturals winning on the wagered side: even utilizing a perfect and sophisticated card counting strategy the edge will be very small on such bets.

Only Dragon and Panda side bets are really worth to be counted. Variance will be quite high but positive results are 1 trillion guaranteed.

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[21 Aces]

So millions of players play Banker and Player because they all lose doing it.  If there were such a simple guaranteed way to consistently win on leveraged bets then players would only do that.

I do believe that some players consistently gain on a net basis on leveraged bets though.

[AsymBacGuy]

Btw, the average win rate will be almost the 60% of your standard bet PER SHOE.

Meaning that itlr and betting $20 units, after 1000 shoes you'll get an average SURE profit of $12.000.

Not bad.


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[AsymBacGuy]

So millions of players play Banker and Player because they all lose doing it.  If there were such a simple guaranteed way to consistently win on leveraged bets then players would only do that.

I do believe that some players consistently gain on a net basis on leveraged bets though.

Counting cards is a consuming job, then you have to endure long losing periods.
Most players think it's better to try to get an edge by mystical reasons than counting cards.

Millions of baccarat players, despite being very smart, are contributing to the second best profits any casino game could provide.


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[soxfan]

I still wait for yer book, hey hey.

Counting cards is a consuming job, then you have to endure long losing periods.
Most players think it's better to try to get an edge by mystical reasons than counting cards.

Millions of baccarat players, despite being very smart, are contributing to the second best profits any casino game could provide.


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[21 Aces]

So there is no way to count and win on Banker or Player bets which pay out 1 to 1, but yet you can count and win at leveraged bets that pay 8, 25, and 40 to 1?  Makes sense.

[AsymBacGuy]

So there is no way to count and win on Banker or Player bets which pay out 1 to 1, but yet you can count and win at leveraged bets that pay 8, 25, and 40 to 1?  Makes sense.

I got your same conclusion but mathematiccaly that's the truth

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[offaxis]

One Shoe on line. 
Count / win or lose.  3 cards to make a seven on Banker side win
-3 win
+4 l
-6 w
+4 l
+7 l
+5 l
+6 l
+6 w
+4 l

_3 w
-8 w

[AsymBacGuy]

One Shoe on line. 
Count / win or lose.  3 cards to make a seven on Banker side win
-3 win
+4 l
-6 w
+4 l
+7 l
+5 l
+6 l
+6 w
+4 l

_3 w
-8 w

So that shoe produced 4 dragon wins?

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[offaxis]

Yes it did.  but they did not hit at +4 very often.  More on the minus side.  I should of wrote down what the cards where.  I do remember that once it was  two face and a seven.  I will keep trying to see if how it works out. It only once once after +4.

[AsymBacGuy]

Yes it did.  but they did not hit at +4 very often.  More on the minus side.  I should of wrote down what the cards where.  I do remember that once it was  two face and a seven.  I will keep trying to see if how it works out. It only once once after +4.

Of course variance is very high on such bets, in that matter I'd suggest to take a glance at a dragon bet simulator existing somewhere in the net. 

We could simultaneously add to Dragons even the Panda bets. Unfortunately although providing a lower variance, Panda bets need a more complicated counting system.

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