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[Rolex-Watch]

By waiting for LLL we are simply betting less hands.  Not going to necessarily win more hands per 100 bets.  So we could do just as well betting OLD at every event.

Because wins will take care of themselves, we as players need to focus more on avoiding losses.  Losses consume bankroll, I rather go home "even"  and win less on other days.  Avoiding losses is more important than seeing how much you can win.  Bet OLD were I play on-line and you will get your behind handed to you on a plate sooner than you know it. 

So poor shuffles producing clumps and long streaks?  Now we are getting into what Ellis has been saying for years.  He adds that the casino does it on purpose to thwart the player.  We can go down that road forever but the point is IF you think or believe or if in fact shuffles producing more long runs than random would dictate why not change your bet strategy to accommodate the bias?  I digress.

Let's nor worry about what Ellis says, but yes the shuffle procedure has a major impact.  You could chance betting FLD, but even streaky shoes usually includes chops and again, you can't see around corners.  When I say sloppy shuffle procedures produce streaky shoes, this doesn't mean the entire shoe or shoe after shoe is streaky.  However nearly every shoe I play has at the very least a single 8 streak, many shoes have multiple long streaks, I simply don't know when things are going to run, so don't play for them. 

Most definitely without a doubt there is a difference.  I see runs that hardly occur in my land-based casino, on-line they are very frequent.  Ditto a particular over-seas casino as like "Streak-City", they installed those Angle Eye auto-card shufflers like another over-seas joint and it was a 100% game changer.

Here's an idea that I've put on my TODO list, maybe someone's already tried it although the book keeping would be arduous:

Have a separate progression for each single, double, triple streak (up to say 5 or 6) on both sides. i.e., banker singles, player singles, banker doubles, player doubles etc.

I don't think the progression would need to be aggressive, perhaps a modified d'Alembert. When you have a new high balance, reset all progressions. Also, it might be worth shifting the debts around from one progression to another if things get too out of balance and you're still in the red.

I went through this a few years ago, forget about separating the sides, GR8 was trending individual sides this some time back, I tried it a few times, it wasn't long before it stank the place out. 
Even if you combine, too bad when one streak length goes to sleep for a while, hence I took sub-sets of streak lengths and applied various flexible progressions to various portions of the shoe.  The problem is, a few long runs consume too much bankroll and you have to start all over again clearing your lines or in my case "strings". 

unless there is a bet selection that changes the LIAR.

I  may have something that achieves this, the expectation for 3Liar is 17%.

Time to give these people a break
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Next week I'll be in MBS and Resorts World (any Singapore players here?). 

 

[AsymBacGuy]

Sir Rolex Watch, yeah the soap opera is now flown away for the mind serenity of many, you first.

How have you thought we were on the same "symmetry wawe" if I stressed months long to the importance of asymmetricity?

And, lol, do you really think yours is a "very brilliant system"?
We (we) were kidding you. It's just the old soup made of progressions, progressions, progressions. 

After all, today is april's fool.

as.

   

 

[Rolex-Watch]

Sir Rolex Watch, yeah the soap opera is now flown away for the mind serenity of many, you first.

How have you thought we were on the same "symmetry wawe" if I stressed months long to the importance of asymmetricity?

And, lol, do you really think yours is a "very brilliant system"?
We (we) were kidding you. It's just the old soup made of progressions, progressions, progressions. 

After all, today is april's fool.

as.

a$$BacFool who's been jerking off for over 18 months at the expense of others.  Symmetrical and betting against it continuance or OW, truly is an art, however it is anthropomorphizing a casino game no matter how you attempt to justify it, (Fools Gold), that sayed it all. . 

Having played Baccarat in many territories, as we know, 80 ~ 90% of players are those whom English is not their prime language, from the low rollers to the VIP rooms, the majority of players are from East Asia (cool with that).  Now the Chinese can be smart cookies when it comes to maths, so let's imagine for a second somebody discovered a flaw or an exploitable bet opportunity for the game of Baccarat.

Our non-English speaking players congregate amongst themselves, they chat amongst themselves in their first language.  Having spent the last 10 years sharing tables. I can assure you ,if they had 'something' they would not share outside their own circle [fact of life, applicable to all].

Do you really think it would be laid out or clues posted to it's existence on an internet forum?  Or instead the person with the key to the treasure chest might  form a syndicate and first rape all the US casinos, then the Canadian ones, then fly over to Singapore, Macau, then possibly Australia, staying in 5 star hotels, their every need being comp'd.  Of course you would put all of this at risk and irking your friends (maybe even risking your well-being!!!), by revealing or even hinting that there exists an exploitable flaw in the game.

Of course none of this is applicable, because it doesn't exist, no single exploitable flaw, no primo distribution / asymmetry, in fact the game shouldn't be anthropomorphized at all. 

Of course AsymBacJock could have cut to the chase a long long time ago, it is safe to assume internet jollies are rewarding for the small minded, courtesy of the few that continue to feed into the nonsense.

For those the have spent more than 5 minutes playing this game, think back to all those times you have lost 9-8, not been paid when yours was the side to first reach 9.  Frequently yes?   This is why there is no flaw, no single hand, sequence exploit, it is not only discourteous to those that actually play, it is mischievous to suggest otherwise.  a$$bacjock has been given enough rope to hang a small colony and still hasn't produced squat or even provide a sniff of common sense, it is a bad testament for the forum.   
   
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on April 28, 2014, 05:00:50 pm

    Sorry, but I had to remove the post after experiencing an unusual heat from the personnel of a  Vegas casino.
    Maybe tomorrow I'll post something correlated to it.
     
    as.

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[WorldBaccaratKing]

Like I said before, a.s. Knows nothing.

He's a piker trying to catch a few unsuspecting newbies and lure em in.....

I would place a large wager he never bet more than a 5 dollar chip at a baccarat table. That's if he's even been to a live game.

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Yep, btw don't forget to change the diaper to your buddy RW (oh, sorry in Manchester, UK area they'll name it "nappy")

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Why aren't you in your own thread talking in circles? Don't you get it yet? Many of the old timers who have been around on these boards for ten plus years think you're a joke!!! You're the laughing stock (next to N9.AKA-Alvin)! Jokes on you pal! Now go and ramble on about whatever you ramble on about. I swear you posted you were going to lock your thread? Another lie................You have told so many lies, you just can't keep track now can you?

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Wow, unless I missed it, the clown finally closed up the worthless thread he started! THANK GOD! 

[Rolex-Watch]

Wow, unless I missed it, the clown finally closed up the worthless thread he started! THANK GOD! 

He's gone one step further, he has deleted the entire thread.  He was full of excrement.  He mentions being in Vegas, then tells me he isn't far away from me, seeing I'm a long way from Vegas.  Even more contradictions, WTF??

Good riddance to the biggest game player in the last few years, "I sayed".
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[WorldBaccaratKing]

Hallelujah !!!!!!!!!! He's gone he's gone!!! Imagine the poor saps family? They have to sit and listen to him nonstop! Wowzaaaaaaaa

[ezmark]

Has anyone toyed with the idea of changing the texture of the shoe ?
So that the result may be more 2's or less long runs for example?

[Tomla]

interesting idea but how would you accomplish that?

[ezmark]

Thanks Tomla,
   I don't have an answer to the question.

[Jimske]

Has anyone toyed with the idea of changing the texture of the shoe ?
So that the result may be more 2's or less long runs for example?

Yeah, we toy with it all the time.  Reducing runs a key to progressions.  The XXOO placement "supposed" to do just that.  ZZ tries to do it too.  Does it work?  I'd like to see an analysis but my guess is . . . nope!  Maybe using these two in conjuction and with a little guessing can help.

[soxfan]

Yeah, we toy with it all the time.  Reducing runs a key to progressions.  The XXOO placement "supposed" to do just that.  ZZ tries to do it too.  Does it work?  I'd like to see an analysis but my guess is . . . nope!  Maybe using these two in conjuction and with a little guessing can help.

There was a cat on a forum years back that clamied to have good lucks using z and zz in combination depending on what the shoe was offering up, hey hey.

[Rolex-Watch]

 

Yeah, we toy with it all the time.  Reducing runs a key to progressions.  The XXOO placement "supposed" to do just that.  ZZ tries to do it too.  Does it work?  I'd like to see an analysis but my guess is . . . nope!  Maybe using these two in conjuction and with a little guessing can help.

I was watching a Chinese player holding his own over a few sessions at Sky City in Kiwi-land (level Eight) recently.  He only flat bet, basically he "knew what he was doing", he had a plan, as opposed to staring at the score board, engage in massive debate and then follow the herd. 


As he didn't speak English, conversation on the balcony was rather difficult.  But I got the gist of what he was saying, mocking those that are forever digging into more and more pockets and continually buying in. 

His MM was easy, flat bet, his bet selection appeared to be XXOO, come rain or shine, XXOO (every hand), not that I have considered it myself, because to be right once in a 4 hand sequence, you have odds of 16/1 in your favour, to be right every time in a 4 hand sequence, the odds are 16/1 against.  Perhaps flat betting minimises the sting of being 100% out of sync occasionally, never really tested it myself.

But if anybody is keen to run  few of their own shoes, maybe post up your findings. 

[gr8player]

But if anybody is keen to run  few of their own shoes, maybe post up your findings.

Surely you can't be serious!  Oh my Goddness, Johno, what has happened to you over the years???!!!!  "run a few shoes" on the "double Zigzag" (XXOO)....gee, how original, I'm sure nobody ever thought of that bet selection before....LLLOOOLLLL

Wait....I'll save you the trouble....the double ZZ is, much like you, a L.O.S.E.R.

(But....just between you and i, Johno....we both know you already knew that, after all, you played it exclusively after Systemmaker posted it years ago on the Gamblers Glen site, and, even worse, you proclaimed it as your grail shortly after.  So don't even try to claim innocence about the double ZZ, Johno, those that know you for all these years know you all too well.  Hasn't playing the double ZZ taken enough of your money already?  Geez, my friend, you're a glutton for punishment.  Wise up or give it up before you find yourself living out of an old washer/dryer box, for Goodness sakes.)