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[21 Aces]

You cats need to get out more.

[vo rogue]

hi brokerny,  i recall you told us about your bacc personal trainer you have been trained by, and how you played a shoe with him in vegas,
and that he has not lost in over 2yrs,  then you ask 'could a 10step marty work',  sorry im confused ?.

[alrelax]

You cats need to get out more.

Are you going to start ending your sentences with repeating words now?

[Lungyeh]

This guy plonked down on the seat next to me at Marina Bay Sands last week. Had S$100,000. Started out betting S$300, S$500 small bets. I was watching this unassuming guy in total control. Well if you are betting less than S$1,000 on a S$100,000 bankroll, I was assuming this guy is a sure winner. Then he thought a good chance came. Raised his bet to S$3000. Win. Then lost 2-3 bets at S$3,000. Bet S$5,000. Lost. Bet S$15,000. Lost. Bet S$25,000 lost. Bet S$55,000. Busted. Then a long 11 player dragon came....

[alrelax]

This guy plonked down on the seat next to me at Marina Bay Sands last week. Had S$100,000. Started out betting S$300, S$500 small bets. I was watching this unassuming guy in total control. Well if you are betting less than S$1,000 on a S$100,000 bankroll, I was assuming this guy is a sure winner. Then he thought a good chance came. Raised his bet to S$3000. Win. Then lost 2-3 bets at S$3,000. Bet S$5,000. Lost. Bet S$15,000. Lost. Bet S$25,000 lost. Bet S$55,000. Busted. Then a long 11 player dragon came....

I try not even to bring it up any longer except occasionally when I get long winded.  Bac today is not like the old school bac prior to 2000 or so.  The tables would have cleaned house with everyone wagering huge after the 4th or 5th repeat, but it is what it is!

Saw a 14 repeating Player with2 or 3 ties also in it last week.  Almost everyone got wiped, not $100k bankrolls, this is a casino with a $2k max, $10min-$2k max.  Several lost $10k or more.  Seriously, I cannot remember this happening prior to 2000.  Sure a sporadic player would switch sides for 1 or 2 wagers or stop wagering, but not the repeated progressions until they won their one unit. 

[Lungyeh]

Maybe I was not clear enough. The guy lost on the 'jumping' results section of the shoe. The 'Shar Chi' or 'Death Watch' section where results are totally random and will 'kill' those Martingale advocates.

When the 'dragon' came, he had no more capital....

don't know about the US but in Asia, nobody but nobody cuts a potential long dragon run. At best you just don't bet the cut. Sit it out.

[alrelax]

I understood what you meant, was just comparing it to the cut, and that not only happens like you said, but also the cut on the dragon repeating streaks which never used to really happen here.  But most certainly does today. 

[21 Aces]

Are you going to start ending your sentences with repeating words now?

Yes -haha.  Well, many here posting need to really check with management because regular tables serious 5 figures on a single bet should not be a concern.  Or.... get out more or move.  Not that I have this type of money - just saying.

[Mars Rocks]

I don't have a mechanical system that I stick to, I rely on the Gods to tell me how to play.  Do you think this guy will let me take the challenge?

[21 Aces]

Given this:

Any betting system that promises to make you a winner is a scam, and I'm so confident about this that I'm putting my money where my mouth is:  I'll wager $30,000 against any system seller's $3,000 that their betting system can't beat the house.  (Or I'll wager my $10,000 against their $1,000, if they prefer.)  My goal is to show that anyone selling a "winning system" on the Internet for $29.95 (or whatever) is nothing more than a fraudster.  Tellingly, not a single one of them has ever put their system to the test with me.  The reason is simple:  They know their systems don't actually work.


How does the Dark Wizard and his Black Riders OWN ADVICE of betting only on Bank not qualify as a system? After all, that is what they advise.

[alrelax]

Is he selling a system?

Advice is advice, there are tons of sections on various websites relating to Vegas and gambling where people do fill-ins and talk, etc.  Bac, BJ, Poker, Slots, etc., you see them, a page or two with a couple of paragraphs on each.  I never really read them, once and a while go on a few of the bigger websites like 'VEGAS.COM' to scan the headline shows or other casino entertainment or even off-property attractions.  I can perfectly see the reason they are there, just for an overview of the games, etc.

I have seen referrals made to this offer in various written articles of a serious nature in gaming trade journals, I believe it is a serious offer and I think one of the basics that start the guys website.

[Albalaha]

How does the Dark Wizard and his Black Riders OWN ADVICE of betting only on Bank not qualify as a system? After all, that is what they advise.

Is he selling a system?

         Those who gives you poison to drink for free are lesser guilty than those who are asking for a price for that? Forums, gambling books are filled with such poisonous ideas and it is not a noble task if someone gives poison for free. Poison is poison.

[21 Aces]

Is he selling a system?

Advice is advice, there are tons of sections on various websites relating to Vegas and gambling where people do fill-ins and talk, etc.  Bac, BJ, Poker, Slots, etc., you see them, a page or two with a couple of paragraphs on each.  I never really read them, once and a while go on a few of the bigger websites like 'VEGAS.COM' to scan the headline shows or other casino entertainment or even off-property attractions.  I can perfectly see the reason they are there, just for an overview of the games, etc.

I have seen referrals made to this offer in various written articles of a serious nature in gaming trade journals, I believe it is a serious offer and I think one of the basics that start the guys website.

Yes.  He has two books for sale that are guides to gambling.

[alrelax]

         Those who gives you poison to drink for free are lesser guilty than those who are asking for a price for that? Forums, gambling books are filled with such poisonous ideas and it is not a noble task if someone gives poison for free. Poison is poison.

You are correct but taking it to the extreme, IMO.  The world has always been filled with this.

From posters in the movie theater lobby with their popcorn, hotdogs and candy that costs 8 to 10 times as much as an over priced gas station convenience store and generally worth less that those!  To the carnival, with some great rides and some great (OMG, gut busting eat until you puke) food and then they have the imposters and the failures all mixed in because they do not discriminate and need the vendor entrance and booth fees, etc.

Then there are the races, Nascar and everything down to the Midwest, 'bump and run' cars in the mud and dirt kinda hit the guy and try to disable him.  Last one that survives wins the race.  Anyway, there are dogs and the real players.  In their business, most or owners of auto related businesses or workers that work at an auto related business and they sponsor him.  Some of those businesses sell the best stuff, give great discounts and advise etc.  Yet, other ones are really bad, dangerous advise and they only participate because they think the crowd will flock to their store or business and they will profit, directly and quickly for their worthless offers, etc.

The list can go on.  Maybe I read too much into your answers, still respect the conversation but the innuendoes at times is what gets to me. 

There are all kinds of 'poison for free' is all kinds of advertising and most of the time, that is exactly what it is. 
 

[Albalaha]

 I believe one who is gambling is not a kid but a person of maturity. If he choses to kill himself or gamble on buying systems too, that is his prerogative. Sad thing about systems or training is that seller usually gives an aggregated image of what he has and tries to sell garbage knowingly.