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[Xcaliforniadealer]

I just read the thread "Gone but not forgotten". Wow is all I can say!  However when I thought about it for a minute or two, the thread really does mimic players at a typical baccarat table.  Pretty much to a 'tee'. 

Also the postings about knowing what an average shoe looks like. Someone here must clue me in on that one.  I have dealt the game for excess of twenty years fulltime and I also have played the game on the opposite side of the table from where the dealer sits.

Can I please say the following:

What just happened is no predictor of what will happen......however at times it is and at others it is not. Same with alternating chops, two's, three's, 4's and 5's, streaks of 6 or greater, chops for 7 or 8 or 9 spots and then a tie or a pair of two's and then right back to alternating chops.  Or, let's say a few chops and then 4 or 5 of each and then a few chops and then 4 times or so 4's of each, and so on.  There is no average shoe.  Really there is not one.

I have dealt all night and never had more than three in a row and all 1's, 2's and 3's.  Then again, I have dealt all night and had almost all streaks and runs without seeing many chops at all.       ****(Meaning, just the shoes within one respective night, not what I have witnessed prior.  Just referring to what can happen in the course of several hours)*****

I have dealt to absolutely some of the best players around and the worst.  I have seen where a great player wagering correctly say 17 times or so out of 20 would choose a side and cite his or her personal reasoning out loud.  A player with virtually no experience wagers the opposite side saying out loud, because of so and so.  All of a sudden on a choppy shoe, the run of 10 or more comes.  All the players give back all their winnings and then some and the new player with no experience cleans house wagering hundreds or thousands a hand.

Baccarat is strictly a guessing game and will remain that way.  IMO we get sucked in because we tend to relate our correct reasoning to variance and predicting correctly.  The same occurrence that made the 'skilled' player correct 10 times or 20 times, will make that same player wrong an equal amount of times if you play enough.

It seems to me that the last few years have brought a trend amongst many players to wager what is dubbed the dark side.  The side that is opposite 'what it should be' according to the board or scorecard.  Again, works sometimes and during other times can't register a win either.

If the game could be beat it would not be in the casinos.  With all my hours in a casino working or playing, I have only seen people backed off from the baccarat table for being obnoxious beyond control, causing problems when drunk or a form of cheating and arrested.  Please shelf your theories I seen on here about being backed off for advantage play at baccarat, there is no such thing in the real casino world.

Systems, Variance Recognition, Key Wagering, and so on, exactly the same as guessing.  No difference, works sometimes and sometimes fails.

[XXVV]

Really am enjoying your experience. Thank you for sharing. I was particularly interested in the last great question and your answer as to the time it took for participants to recognize  and act upon a dominant tendency.

[XXVV]

Once again Xcaliforniadealer I want to thank you for your answers and your preparedness to answer questions based on your unique experiences from the other side of the table. Yes the 'expectation bias' is not solely the casino domain. Recent analysis of market psychology, particularly all the financial markets and the blend of fear and greed as we see world wide is most interesting and entertaining - rather different when you are deeply involved or it is your profession. Great thing about a casino is that you can step outside after leaving a game at a moment's notice.

It would be most interesting if you are prepared to comment on your roulette experience, and my apologies if you have already covered this elsewhere. You might like to open a new thread in the roulette forum area for example, but in the meantime would you like to express any general comments on your comparative experiences at different tables.

In the boutique casino with which I am familiar in New Zealand, with close links also to Australia, I notice the Dealer staff seem to be trained 'to do anything', from BJ/ Bac/ Poker/ Roulette -rapid roulette and tables/slots - the works. On a per m/sq basis the highest rates of return for the casino are slot earnings and their space available is limited by Government control in the terms of the original license.

Your unique perspective on some of these matters would be most interesting. Thanks.

[XXVV]

Thanks XCD.  You have successfully interested me in Baccarat.

[Xcaliforniadealer]

Thanks XCD.  You have successfully interested me in Baccarat.

Thanks for the compliments and little chit-chit we exchanged.  From here on out, you can ask the guy that lives in casinos and know absolutely 1,000% about everything and even the facts and actual casino doings when posted, are of course a fallacy and demeaned by the #1 baccarat expert and poster on her.  Refer all you questions to Wewinn.  Thanks guys, good luck.