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[Garfield]

So I try to see how many think BS is more important than MM vice versa.

[aizman]

For ppl with limit bankroll, BS;
For ppl with deep pockets, MM.

Is what I think.

[Garfield]

Come. To see how many of you think bet selection is more important than money management vice versa. Thx

[Garfield]

It is a tie condition up until now. Would like to hear more thoughts and votes.

[mahatma]

If each hand is a non-predictable outcome, were prior outcomes have no bearing, relevance on the next hand(s), then how on gods earth can bet selection be more important than the amount you have bet, will bet!!! 

[soxfan]

It ain't even close, the mm/progression scheme is infinitely more important than the bet selections, hey hey.

[Garfield]

 I would like to ask something for "MM" side.

If we have more lose than win, then we have to apply negative progresion, right? IMO a "recoup" plan always involve bigger units. But recoup plan will be successful or not depend whether your "recoup" bet will be right or not.

If not, surely we are in deeper hole. And how we will know that our bet selection that we used ( that has lose more than win) in the particular shoe, will guarante that our recoup bet will win?

First of all, I am not trying to offend anyone here. Just want to know how to deal with it.

Frankly, if my bet selection lose more than win, I would be hesitate to throw bigger bet. Especially when I am losing.

Thank you,

[Garfield]

If everybody believe that itlr player will make more wrong bet selection than the right ones, in term of number of the bet, not the amount, then why not play by partner?

So we bet with our prefer choice, whatever it is, and our partner just bet the opposite side. He /she doesn't have to think about anything, just bet opposite your bet with bigger unit.

IMO the next problem will arise, we wouldn't know which one of us would be win more than lose.

So, back again to square one.

What would you think?


Thank you,

[Garfield]

Some thought from my experience

As long as in the particular shoe, we don't lose more than 3 LIAR, and could make a successful 2 WIAR frequently, with a mild negative progression, even with the ratio of 50:50 we would be still ahead. If the ratio is higher than it will be better result.

If we have more clustered LIAR, with sporadic single win, max 2 WIAR, we need bigger units to manuver during the down swing, with the bigger risk also.

I thought with bs that could produce more win than lose, we could be more flexible to choose between positive or negative progression.

But if we lose more, the negative progression is the only way.

This is all IMHO.

Thank you,

[marinetech]

Of course its MM.

I lost 8 in a row wednesday night. I proceeded to win 3 and lose 13. If you don't have a solid MM and a bankroll, you're dead before you begin. I proceeded to bet purple chips and finally hit 5 or 6 in a row, made a little money, and called it a night. Battling back from being out thousands gets old.......

[Garfield]

Of course its MM.

I lost 8 in a row wednesday night. I proceeded to win 3 and lose 13. If you don't have a solid MM and a bankroll, you're dead before you begin. I proceeded to bet purple chips and finally hit 5 or 6 in a row, made a little money, and called it a night. Battling back from being out thousands gets old.......

So you still use the same bet selection? Don't it come in mind if it still went wrong then you will be in deeper hole?

So you are ready for that?

After re thingking again maybe it wasn't which one is better. But the state of mind. You need to have steel balls to throw big bet just to recoup, knowing the risk.

[Garfield]

@marinetech and other "MM" side

How much LIAR could your MM survive? I want to know the average. And if happened you only won the last pajse on your MM, how much will it bring you back? 50%? 60%? Or more?

Myself has experienced up to 10 LIAR. And in that phase I only managed to get back to 30% of my BR

[Lung Yeh]

In my book which has been temporarily shelved, there is a section which has withstood the test of time. I term it 1) hot phase 2) neutral phase and 3) shar chi or deadly phase.
In the hot phase, whatever you bet, you win. The patterns appear so clear to you. Your thoughts are clear and your decisions, spot on. When the casino has 8 points you end up with 9. When you have 1 point, the casino ends up with zero or baccarat.
In the neutral phase, you win one and then lose one. The wins and losses even out.
In the shar chi (a term derived from the study of Feng Shui meaning killing arrows) or deadly phase, whatever you bet you lose. It is the exact opposite of the hot phase. You have 8 points and the casino ends up with 9. The casino has 1 point and you end up with zero or baccarat. Even with tears in your eyes, the casino continues to take your money.
MM strategies depends on which phase of the game. If in a Shar chi phase and you go on to negative progression, you may lose 5,6,7,8 times and decimate your bankroll. In a hot phase, maintain bigger bets or go into positive progressions. In a neutral phase, bet small or sit it out. it's a waste of time.
The phases alternate within 12-20 hands. Sometimes it drags on to 30-40 hands. If you are hurt during the shar chi phase, it will drag on longer and unbelievably. If you hit it right during the hot phase, it can also go on longer.
But nothing goes on forever. Just remember that. As in life and in driving on a highway, there are smooth periods where everything goes right and there are times where there is the immaculate congestion.

[Lung Yeh]

The trick is to have bankroll available when the hot phase arrives. Oftentimes when the hot phase comes, one is left with a small bankroll and is then facing an uphill battle to chase losses.

[Gizmotron]

The trick is to have bankroll available when the hot phase arrives. Oftentimes when the hot phase comes, one is left with a small bankroll and is then facing an uphill battle to chase losses.

You understand experienced player strategy. My overall method has a method to deal with the "deadly phase" too. I get out of my standard flat bets and minimum bet the reds or blacks. In Roulette there is no sitting out spins. If you want your seat at the table you must place at least minimum bets. When the hot phase comes, and it always comes eventually, I shift up to attacking bets. In my method, I only have to win the first bet in order to take the big ride upward.

It is my experience that you only get one to three hot phases per four-hour gambling session in Roulette. I also play the steady grind upward. It beats the red/black bets just a little so what the heck.