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Offline Bally6354

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Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
« on: September 04, 2016, 01:48:27 pm »
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  • I thought this deserved it's own subject.

    First of all an explanation of the Bricklayer's Wall.






    Now for some quick tests using the Bricklayer's Wall along with the VDW AP.

    I personally think that it's probably better to stop after 2 consecutive losses and start a new game without completing 9 spins like I did in the second test. I also stop after a situation where you are required to bet on both sides of an EC and start a new game.





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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2016, 07:33:14 pm »
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  • Thank you :)
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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #2 on: September 04, 2016, 09:27:53 pm »
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  • Hi Bally6354 . . .

    Nice application of the VDW theorem.

    As you have shown, it can be applied to any binary event.

    Thanks for sharing your creative thinking.

    Cheers

    Nick

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 04:41:57 am »
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  • Thanks Bally!

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 04:33:57 pm »
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  • What is the title of this book ?

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2016, 04:40:08 pm »
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  • Thanks Nickmsi....I think a lot of people will be drawn to the VDW AP idea which yourself and Priyanka have generously shared. It's trying to find the right way to use it which is half the fun.

    Stringbeanpc....The name of the book is 'The Future Gambler' by Craig Greiner. It's a pity the guy still isn't around, I have given it more plugs than a paid employee.  ;D
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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 04:48:06 pm »
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  • That was a quick reply, thank you

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2019, 06:38:00 pm »
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  • Author's summary:

     As you can see, the merits of selectively increasing both winning and losing bets are substantial. The Bricklayer's Wall is particularly good at converting choppy or zig-zag results into sizable profits without sizeable risk. It's also satisfying to know that the Bricklayer's wall will profit nicely in streaky environments as well.

    Game examples:

    1. -2 -2 +2 +2a -2a -4b +4c +4b -3a +3b -3a -3b -6c
    2. +2 -2a -2b +4c -2b +4c +2a -3a +3b +3a -3a +6b +4a
    3. +2 -2a -2b +4c -2b -4c
    4. -2 -2 -2 +2 +2a -2a +4b +3a -3a -6b +6c +6b -4a -4b +8c +4b
    5. +2 -2a +2b -2a -2b +4c -2b +4c +2a -3a -3b -6c
    6. -2 +2 +2a +2a +3a -3a -6b +6c +6b -4a -4b +8c +4b
    7. -2 -2 +2 -2a +2b +2a -2a -4b -4c
    8. +2 +2a -2a +4b -3a -3b +6c +3b -3a +6b +4a
    9. -2 -2 -2 +2 -2a -2b +4c -2b +4c -2a +4b +3a -3a -6b -6c
    10. +2 +2a +2a -3a -3b +6c +3b -3a +6b -4a -4b +8c -4b +8c

    Bets won: 59
    Bets lost: 63
    Units won: 30

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2019, 10:15:59 pm »
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  • Can you post option 2 and option 3 as the author described?  ...unfortunately the book is out of print.

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2019, 01:24:57 am »
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  • If I understand this correctly and you make it to the top row of 4  4   8 and you lose all 3 bets, you will lose 16 units which can wipe out all your previous profits.

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 07:35:11 pm »
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  • If I understand this correctly and you make it to the top row of 4  4   8 and you lose all 3 bets, you will lose 16 units which can wipe out all your previous profits.

    Well it's technically correct that you could lose all three bets from the top row (4a 4b 8c) totalling 16 units, you would however have gained units along the way from all the previous rows. So in this instance you can only lose a maximum of 4 units in total playing to the end.

    Worst case scenario from a total wipeout in the different rows are as follows...

    row 224 = 6.
    row 244 = 6.
    row 336 = 6.
    row 366 = 6.
    row 448 = 4.

    Of course you could have suffered a few -2 losses (base bet) before proceeding to play the rows.

    Option 2 and the rows are as follows.

    2 (base bet)
    2 4 4
    2 4 4
    3 6 6
    3 6 6
    4 8 8

    With this option, winning the desired net units at any given level only requires winning the 'a' or 'b' bet at anytime. So not too much different from option 1.
    There is an option 3 and an option 3 (sidewall version) I will leave them for another day.

    If I had to choose from any of Greiner's progressions, it would be the Boxer which I have already shared. It packs a good punch for either short streaks or close knit groups of wins. It's close to the G3M1 from Koetsch which is my favourite.



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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #11 on: May 23, 2019, 10:51:45 pm »
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  •   Thanx for the update.  Below is an old post of yours ....could you give and example of how you determined the W or L for 2nd's and 3rd's......seems like all the numbers were black.


    "would like to share the idea of 2nd's + 3rd's here.
     
    There is an Excel sheet at the bottom with an example using Black/Red and Low/High.
     
    I will use the Black numbers in the sheet to give an example....
     
    What I am tracking for is to see if a Black number goes to 2 hits and then goes on to 3 hits.
     
    33
    26
    26
    31
    33
    8
     
    There are 6 consecutive black numbers there and so I put a W for both the 2nd's and the 3rd's.
     
    The next black numbers....
     
    29
    13

    Now there are only 2 black numbers there. So I put a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
     
    Next up...
     
    8
     
    Only 1 black number there. So an L goes in the 2nd's and I can't put anything in the 3rd's.
     
    Next up...
     
    29
    24
     
    2 black numbers. So a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
     
    What I am playing close attention at is the W's and L's in the 2nd's + 3rd's.
     
    It's possible to get a run of L's in the 2nd's.....BUT.....a run of W's in the 3rd's. This would happen if you got runs of just either 1 black and runs of 3+ blacks.
     
    Charting all three E.C's (Black/Red, Low/High, Odd/Even) is the way to go.
     
    A tracker would do the job OR you could just skip a spin or two in a B+M casino to give you time to track everything.
     
    Of course....you could track 2nd's, 3rd's + 4th's and even use this idea for dozens and columns.
     
    It is just another way to look for betting the W's OR L's depending on what's happening in the 2nd's and 3rd's."
     
    cheers.

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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #12 on: May 24, 2019, 03:17:21 pm »
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  •   Thanx for the update.  Below is an old post of yours ....could you give and example of how you determined the W or L for 2nd's and 3rd's......seems like all the numbers were black.


    8OR9, Here is a brief example using Heads and Tails to explain the 2nd and 3rd's concept.



    The idea is that you will isolate a point in time where you can capture a group of W in either the 2nd or 3rd's on one of the E/C's.
    Greiner states in his book that these are not to be categorized as patterns such as FTL for example. He says a pattern is a group of decisions and / or a bet selection method which conforms to a format. By contrast the 2nd and 3rd's identify an exact point in time within the structure of the probability mode itself. Now maybe that's just all a nice play on words because as each decision is independent, then what else are you doing apart from looking for betting a FTL decision even if that means waiting several decisions and jumping around columns.

    Don't get me wrong because I am not saying this stuff can't hold up for a long time along with his use of positive progressions. Betting every hand is not an ideal situation at times IMO and so timing your bets with MM which isn't suicidal could see your bankroll go along way and I can see how a lot of my own thoughts regarding successful play were shaped by Greiner's work.



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    Re: Bricklayers' Wall meets VDW AP
    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2019, 04:36:33 pm »
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  • These couple of shoes from Johno (although extreme in how they group up from FTL to OLD) show how the 2nd's and 3rd's can perform well.





    The first shoe and the 3rd's show WWWWW

    Second shoe and the 3rd's show LLLLLL

    Also there is a streak of 8 L's in the 2nd's First shoe and a streak of 9 L's in the 2nd's Second shoe. All great for anything using an up as you win progression. Obviously it's not always as plain sailing as that but it shows pretty much where you will do well if you choose to play around with this idea.

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