I am pretty convinced that playing just one or two numbers is the best way to go!

I played on betvoyager this morning for a few hours just to see how long it would take me to reach 100 units profit.

The way I did it was to play in cycles. I would quit on a losing cycle of 37 spins or quit on a winner before 37 spins.

Then I just logged back on and started again.

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Things did not start great! I was down around 115 units at one stage. However I did end up 102 units ahead after 21 games. This was all done flat betting.

Here is a running count..

-37 (-37)
+28 (-9)
-37 (-46)
+18 (-28)
+2 (-26)
-37 (-63)
-31 (-94) I got cut off early here.
+9 (-85)
+35 (-50)
+23 (-27)
+18 (-9)
-37 (-46)
+12 (-34)
+33 (-1)
+23 (+22)
+25 (+47)
-37 (+10)
+4 (+14)
+29 (+43)
+34 (+77)
+25 (+102)

What has got me thinking is how to take advantage of the times when variance is favourable. There are some periods in those 21 games when a few early hits are coming back to back.

I don't think it makes sense to use a negative progression betting one number. But I also don't think it would make sense to use some kind of positive progression for a full 37 spin cycle.

So I was thinking of something like a front loaded progression when things are going well.

There used to be few guys who suggested playing a kind of front loaded progression on the old GG forum. I had a look and the info is pretty sparse. But it's something to think about.

Don't discount playing just a number a two. There was a 200 unit turnaround in the games above in just a few hundred spins.

cheers

Nicely done. Though strictly speaking all bets offer the same EV, but straight-up does offer the chance of bagging the best payout in the game.

The problem again is fluctuation, the fewer numbers you bet the larger it is liable to be. How are you selecting your bets, are you using law of the third? There are some interesting and fairly powerful conditional probabilities for that.

Evidence would show (considering the "law" that some numbers will hit and some won't) that if a number hits in the 37 spin cycle, it has a very high probability of repeating now that it's potentially "hot" and in the game (consider that numbers can hit twice, 3 times, 4 times and so on in the cycle, and that in thousands of trials we would probably never see all 37 unique numbers).

This would seem to offer a great advantage, but it doesn't really help to determine which number to back, or tell us when it will hit again.

And of course, the probability of it hitting just once still remains higher than it repeating.

Therefore progressions will be lost, potentially many consecutively, to the extent that you'll probably go bust. Bear in mind this is all based on observation!

I said it how many times? Many of you guys play too many numbers. Playing 1 number is fine but its like watching paint dry, even worse if the spins are slow.

that's kind of my rule......I take with me a few of my notebooks (containing different methods), what I play for that day is based on how CROWDED the casino is, slow spins or not slow spins. If the spins are one every five minutes, I won't play 1-2 numbers. It'll be 3-4 numbers.

Ken

Quote from: Mr J on August 22, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
Many of you guys play too many numbers.

Really makes no difference, Mr J.

Quote from: Number Six on August 22, 2013, 02:39:36 PM
Really makes no difference, Mr J.

Makes perfect sense.

Quote from: Number Six on August 22, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
Nicely done. Though strictly speaking all bets offer the same EV, but straight-up does offer the chance of bagging the best payout in the game.

Well that's my thinking behind it Number Six. I have an old roulette book where the author showed a table comparing some players who just stuck to betting one number as opposed to other players who were betting E/C's. The only player left standing after thousands and thousands of spins was the single number player. After years of looking at the law of the third, I have given up on it. It kind of makes me think of fools gold. You think there is something there and keep digging to no avail.But hey, I would love to be proved wrong.

Quote from: Mr J on August 22, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
I said it how many times? Many of you guys play too many numbers. Playing 1 number is fine but its like watching paint dry, even worse if the spins are slow.

Ken

It can be torture in a casino. Especially when you get a new dealer who is still learning the ropes. 4 numbers would be my max. I would play them as 2 splits like I mentioned in the dozens and columns thread on this blog. I would just whittle it down further to 1 number and pick the hottest one if I am looking to play just the one.

As regards to if it makes any difference or not!  From experience, I can safely say there are times when you can be betting 2/3 of the wheels numbers and hardly get a hit. I don't mind losing a chip each spin if my luck is really out. I should still have some bankroll left if my luck takes a turn for the better.

See this discussion also:

http://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/why-playing-one-number-is-best-%28discuss%29/

Esoito

I just posted on that thread.  More later.........

Sam

Quote from: Bally6354 on August 22, 2013, 03:34:26 PM
But hey, I would love to be proved wrong.

Ha, I am not about to prove you wrong, I wondered because you had mentioned playing in cycles of 37 spins. Though I may have some ideas that could help you. Not entirely related to law of the third, but certainly for identifying possible repeaters and "hot" numbers.

Quote from: Bally6354 on August 22, 2013, 03:34:26 PM
As regards to if it makes any difference or not! 

It really doesn't, in this case there is some maths to back that up!

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 01:25:58 AM
I wondered because you had mentioned playing in cycles of 37 spins. Though I may have some ideas that could help you. Not entirely related to law of the third, but certainly for identifying possible repeaters and "hot" numbers.

Hello Number Six, any information on hot numbers would be much appreciated. I use the 37 spin cycles when I visit the casinos. I find it keeps my discipline going and I can move around a bit.

Yes I agree with Bally, Number Six. This is sort of the way I play. All info is good info.