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Offline Archie

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Esoito & ADulay
« on: May 13, 2014, 05:19:56 pm »
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  • ADulay is in conflict of interest as a moderator at this site.  Isn't he still an administrator at BTC.  And, hence then also likely a full or part owner of that site?  False advertising is the presentation of unsupported claims.  Ellis claims to be a winner by his methods, so he has been perpetrating criminal fraud for the last ten years, with ADulay as an accessory.  Unless, of course, ADulay wants to come on here to tell us all that, no, neither has he a winning system.  Show some real decency, ADulay, and resign your membership(s) here.


    Esoito & Adulay have both carried on a real disservice to this site by allowing scam posts to go critically unchallenged.  Also Ellis talks a lot about tact and libel; but for obvious reasons, it's only talk.  Maybe Esoito & and ADulay would grace us with some examples of personal libel suits regarding any area of gambling history in which a seller brought on the action?  Lol.


    About all the effective membership has left this site because it has become a free scam fest.  I'm sure that Victor has lost advertising revenue, and so the interest in keeping it up to date.  Vicious circle.  We all know the reason that esoito remained.  The ones who left still make reference to him.


    Posters like Rolex are infinitely more valuable to a gambling board where the emphasis lay on system play than the likes of ADulay & Esoito.  Have either contributed a single post on any of the ways in which system play DO WORK?  Anywhere?  Have either contributed any concrete math and physics work or insights?  I KNOW from many years online that ADulay hasn't.  A lot of politicking, "white square - black square" uncle cult stuff, and evasion of even evasion, from our dear "friend at large", AD.  Personally, I think that the BTC stuff makes for good discussion on such a site as this.  BUT YOU HAVE TO AS OPENLY ALLOW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.  You won't find much talk of the professional systems sellers at the Wizard's, and other so-called established sites, because false advertising is criminal fraud in most jurisdictions.  They've already established that nothing short of a miracle is going to beat the casino games, let alone the purely extensive false advertising, and leading on.\


    Yes, I have contributed to Vic in the recent past.  NO OWNERSHIP WANTED.  And will certainly continue to do so in the future to turn this site into - not a number one site - the number one site.  But sleds like ADulay & Esoito will likely have to go.  As long as improvements continue here, so will the cash.  I have the real Grail, so no shortage of funds.
    Archie the Archer. Adventure Comics #242 (November 1957). Aka Darby Van Heller; criminal archer who captured, then impersonated Green Arrow to assist fellow criminals, pretending to have gone insane and believing self to be Robin Hood... STAY'N GREEN!


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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 06:44:59 pm »
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  • Joining the suggestions for constructive criticism here. After the internal problems of the site are resolved I join to foresee this website to be the best in the world in its field. I do not want to get into the fire in relation to Adulay but I testify that Esoito is good person. I have only seen personal integrity in our communications. he was never trying to sell anything nor has he tried to coerce me to his thinking about an issue or person.

    Hopefully this is resolved amicably. By the way what are the official requirements to become a moderator? Also another suggestion: site should have a prominent sticky on what are the current moderators at all times. In the General section preferably. Right now I do not even know who is or is not moderator. This information should be easily accessible.

    Please accept my wishes for a swift resolution. if anything has been proven is that this site is resilient. I stay here comfortably.
    say things directly to show respect for other people's time. Walter.

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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 08:13:41 pm »
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  • I testify that Esoito is good person. I have only seen personal integrity in our communications. he was never trying to sell anything nor has he tried to coerce me to his thinking about an issue or person.


    I agree with Wannawin on that score.

    Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 09:22:29 pm »
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  • ADulay is in conflict of interest as a moderator at this site.  Isn't he still an administrator at BTC.  And, hence then also likely a full or part owner of that site?
    Absolutely 100% incorrect.  I have ZERO ownership of anything at BTC, save my own, personal PAID membership.  I am a forum moderator because I know how this stuff works and can work in the background doing, well, forum stuff. 
    Show some real decency, ADulay, and resign your membership(s) here.

    I serve at the discretion of the forum owner.   If he says I should be removed from my position, I will do so, quietly.

      Maybe Esoito & and ADulay would grace us with some examples of personal libel suits regarding any area of gambling history in which a seller brought on the action?  Lol.

    As usual, I have no idea of what you're blathering on and on about.  Are you off your medicines again?


    Posters like Rolex are infinitely more valuable to a gambling board where the emphasis lay on system play than the likes of ADulay & Esoito.  Have either contributed a single post on any of the ways in which system play DO WORK?  Anywhere?

    Actually, I have.  But I was also banned from that site, so that pretty much ended trying to help out.

      But sleds like ADulay & Esoito will likely have to go.

    I am merely a check box away from becoming a "normal" user.  You need only petition the forum owner.  I will not feel the least bit slighted by your incredible lack of clarity.
     
      As long as improvements continue here, so will the cash.  I have the real Grail, so no shortage of funds.

    Uh, yeah.  Garnabby with the grail.   I'll sleep better knowing that.

    Anyway, here's looking forward to being able to reply to future threads as a USER and not as a MOD where I really have to tone down what I really feel.

    AD

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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 11:45:32 pm »
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  • @ Wannawin and Bally

    Thank you much. I greatly appreciate your kind replies and support more than mere words can express.



    @ Archie

    To say I was disappointed by your opening post in this thread is a gross understatement.

    Up until now I looked on you as rational and balanced and supportive, but your unprovoked attack on Adulay is making me seriously doubt that. Perhaps the new tablets haven't kicked in yet.

    As for me staying here the reason is for me to know and for you to wildly speculate. But it's nothing at all to do with money, if that was your thought.

    I've never asked for any; it's never been offered. Hopefully it won't be offered because my cardiac system would never cope with the shock.

    But, Archie, I'll give you a clue so you don't overtax yourself: it's all to do with this forum staying open after all, when it originally looked as though it was soon to close. Simple as that.


    Other Points

    We do NOT condone scammers. 

    Yes, I know that statement might seem to some as being at variance with those wretched adverts Victor is forced to run, but the reasons for those have been detailed ad nauseum elsewhere on this forum.

    But neither Adulay nor I have control over them but as moderators we do have control over our responses to other products and services that might be offered via posts.

    However, unlike some, we do have to be circumspect and NOT apply the word 'scammer' without some sort of evidence. To do so is against the rule about personal attacks, and it's unjust. Suspicion alone is not sufficient. 

    If in doubt, then don't buy a product or service. Just common sense.

    I normally choose not to bite back but in this instance it's not just me Archie was having a go at. I won't sit back and see a fellow moderator attacked and remain silent.

    Frankly, Archie is sailing very close to the wind...He's had his say and avoided a sanction this time. Won't happen again.

    I know exactly what Adulay means about holding back and not replying in kind. (I no longer have a bottom lip as I've had to bite in in self-restraint numerous times.)

    But we generally take the view that as moderators we should try to set an example. And we try very hard -- often in the face of intense provocation.

    Perhaps we should both stand down and let the forum become a rudderless ship, sailing on an ocean of total permissiveness where anything goes, because that's what critics seem to want.

    Either that, or they want perfect moderators who please everybody perfectly, all the time...

    Archie is, of course, completely qualified to take it on as shown by his comments, so I hope he/she steps forward to Victor in the spirit of service as a doormat.


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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2014, 08:47:03 pm »
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  • I see in nothing in the above replies which changes anything, or my personal view here of esoito & ADulay.  Only more evasiveness to simple and direct questions.  Surely, no reasons to not to be amicable about it.

    False advertising, without proof of product before sale, is criminal fraud.  Selling such, without warranty, is civil fraud.

    Moderators must be above suspicion.  Clearly, neither of these mods is above suspicion.  I didn't accuse them of working together, eg, but now will.  Esoito's false integrity directed at old buddy's "good baccarat player" AD's scams?  It doesn't matter how indirect the scamming, it's scamming.  How do I know that you aren't OLD sillE, himself?  Hmmm.

    Not so surprising they, the ones on that site, spend so much time away from BTC.  Running out of "suckers", likely nothing to do there but talk to each other's clones there.

    Ellis Davis has been a blight on the internet many years for the everyday gambling enthusiasts.  If Victor wants to allow such to continue to ruin the last remaining fun sites, then so be it.  I tried.  Let them pay, or not, Vic the full $100 US this month.  Lol.
    Garnabby old buddy,

      Please.  Get back on your medicine.  You're making a fool out of yourself.

      Take some of the very large HINTS that have been tossed in your direction and try to clean up your internet "act".

      Luckily I just deleted the majority of this reply.  It's probably for the best.

      If you seriously believe that I am a detriment to this board as well as a threat to the free world as we know it, PLEASE ask the board owner to relieve me of duty.   It will make things so much easier.

      Hey!  I just got an excellent idea.   Why don't YOU become a moderator here and take my place!  Yeah.  That's the ticket!

      AD (With all the things people can be on the internet, why do most chose Stupid!)
     

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    Re: Esoito & ADulay
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2014, 11:28:49 pm »
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  • Yep.

    And he/she can take my place, too.  I already extended that invitation in my post above.

    My PhD thesis has been submitted and, if it's accepted, I'll have Archie (and several others like him) to thank for providing me with so much raw material over the last few years.

    Then someone else can take it on if he/she won't. 

    Or Victor can chuck out the Rules (no need then for moderators?) and let the forum float.

    Anyway, got to go now. The landing had an incident where a warder and the TopCat had a disagreement so we're having an early lock-down. Some of the girls just never learn...Do they, Archie?


    [I'm locking this thread because apparently Victor did not set up this section as a stick with which to beat others. ]