Craps results using ''wincraps'' software.

Bally6354 · August 15, 2016, 10:33:32 PM

Hello guys,

I am not sure how many of you play or are interested in craps. Anyway, I will upload 50 results at a time for the ''Pass'' and ''Don't'' results.

For anybody that doesn't know, these are 1/1 bets.

Roll a 7 or 11 on the comeout roll and it's a win on the Pass.

Roll a 2 or 3 on the comeout roll and it's a win on the Don't. (A 12 is a push)

Once you have done the comeout roll (which establishes the point) you then have to get that same number again to get paid out on the pass.

Rolling a seven before the initial point number again means a win for the don't. (It's actually not all that complicated once you get your head around it.

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The ''wincraps'' software is pretty good. You can download a free evaluation copy for testing/learning the game.

cheers

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Bally6354 · August 16, 2016, 11:41:58 PM

Quite a few Pass runs in this sample.

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I was reading some of the old threads in the Craps section at Gamblers Glen and the ''Carsch progression'' looked a good one.

1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,32. (when lose 2 in a row, move on to next step in progression)

Here it is....although you need to go further down the page a bit for the Carsch progression explanation and comments.

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=172&forum=Craps_Message_Board

cheers

Bally6354 · August 17, 2016, 11:05:33 PM

Hello guys,

I am not going to take the credit for what I am going to share and neither do I want the blame

But here is something for you to test out for yourselves and see if you get good results above the expected norm.

Pass, Pass, Don't, Pass, *now you would bet for the Don't* (So it's the third alternate after two passes.)

Why should that work? It sounds too mechanical in nature to me....BUT....I have heard it holds up well. To be honest I am not really sure if testing it on wincraps is such a good idea. But I don't really have access to craps here in the UK. I have sent away for a few well known tester books, but some of them are reportedly biased towards one side like the 72 hours at the craps table biased towards the Don't side. Maybe I need to get a few dice and just put in a few hours. I never like taking other peoples word for it if I am honest. I like to find out for myself. Anyway, I have laid it out. Please let me know if you do decide to test it what the results are good or bad and what your testing methods were.

cheers

Blue_Angel · August 18, 2016, 02:23:25 AM

I'd like to bring to your attention a bet which can turn the odds for the player.
It's mine and I've used it with modest success so far.

Let's say it rolls 4, lay the 4, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 5 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and lay the 5, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 6 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and lay the 6, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 8 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and lay the 8, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 9 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and lay the 9, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 10 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and lay the 10, if win take profit and wager and wait for next roll.
If 2 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and wait for next roll.
If 3 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and wait for next roll.
If 11 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and wait for next roll.
If 12 rolls, remove bet from lay 4 and wait for next roll.

As you see we are betting against a streak of any 2 in a row (anything but 2,3,11,12)
When a number rolls 2 times in a row, bet against a 3 in a row with a progression, my favorite is D'Alembert.
When a number rolls 3 in a row, bet against 4 in a row and so on...
When two 7's in a row, bet 10 on field, 10 on number 5 and 12 on numbers 6 & 8 for only one win.

I've played craps from Italy to US, also bought casino dice and shooting station, practiced for months in my kitchen table, the larger streak I've ever seen was six in a row for numbers 6 & 7 and four in a row for numbers 2 & 4.

An alternative way to bet the above method is to constantly bet for Pass/Don't Pass and Come/Don't Come simultaneously, then when a number rolls bet the Don't odds which are commission free.
You might save the commission but you could lose from 12, in that case your DP/DC bet is returned but the Pass/Come loses, also you would temporarily restrict your bankroll by the many Pass/Don't Pass and Come/Don't Come bets which have been placed around till a 7 rolls and all of them will be returned.

Bally6354 · August 18, 2016, 09:48:21 PM

Another 50 results...

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Thanks for sharing your strategy Blue Angel. I will spend some time looking it over. I am fascinated by this game. I was down in London yesterday and had a look around the Empire Casino but couldn't see a Craps table. I will check out the Hippodrome next time I am down there and see if they have one. (Just checked online and they have one. Trust me to go to the wrong place, lol. I was only on a flying visit)

Blue_Angel · August 18, 2016, 10:28:43 PM

There are varying rules from a casino to the next regarding lay bets.
Some casinos require commission to be placed with the wager, while on the rest they deducting commission from profit.
This creates a significant difference according the outcomes, all comes down to pay commission only when you win from net profit (always less than wager), or to pay commission only when you lose.
It becomes quite obvious that if we pay 5% only from net profit, it's better than paying 5% from our lost wagers.
Lay wagers are always larger than the potential net profit because 7 always has better chance to roll than any other number.

Bally, I like the cat picture!

When you test it enough please report back.

Bally6354 · August 18, 2016, 10:58:15 PM

Another 50. I am on a roll.

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The PASS, PASS, DON'T, PASS, DON'T looks to be ahead 4/5 units so far after around 600 throws. I will start getting excited if it's ahead 400/500 units after 60,000 throws.

3Nine · August 19, 2016, 11:37:05 AM

Hi Bally,
I'm not sure I follow your bet selection but thanks for sharing. I love win craps but haven't used it in a while. Thanks for the reminder.

Bally6354 · August 19, 2016, 11:52:34 AM

Hello 3Nine,

P,P,d,P,X

Bet where the X is for the DON'T.

So you could have P,P,P,P,d,P,X....and still bet where the X is for the DON'T.

There are not going to be loads of opportunities to bet. I believe the average is around 5 an hour. Long term records of people's play and some extensive testing indicated it produced a better than 50/50 win rate. But hey, we have all heard it before right? Anyway, no harm in testing to find out. My tester books should arrive early next week and I will report back the figures.

cheers

DoctorSudoku · August 21, 2016, 05:02:16 AM

Bally,
Interesting bet selection -- thanks for sharing.

Just to clarify, even if we have a long string of Passes, the above bet selection
still applies:

Example:
P P P P D P then bet D -- right?

DoctorSudoku · August 21, 2016, 05:07:30 AM

Bally,
Also, would the reverse be true:

D D D D P D , now bet P.

Or this method only applies to the P P case only?

Bally6354 · August 21, 2016, 10:11:35 AM

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on August 21, 2016, 05:02:16 AM
Bally,
Interesting bet selection -- thanks for sharing.

Just to clarify, even if we have a long string of Passes, the above bet selection
still applies:

Example:
P P P P D P then bet D -- right?

Hello DoctorSudoku, that's right, as long as the last 4 decisions are PPdP before you bet for the DON'T, then it doesn't matter how many P's proceeded the first two.

Regarding the reverse and betting for the P after DDpD......that was never mentioned.

cheers

Bally6354 · August 22, 2016, 10:02:03 PM

My '72 Hours at the Craps Table' book arrived this morning. I was looking forward to testing this PPdP*bet for D here*

In total there are 14,967 rolls.

DON'T pass winners = 2244

PASS winners = 2152

Luckily for me, at the bottom of each page are rows of circles and squares representing the PASS and DON'T results.

ok, ok.....get to the results.

+25. It doesn't sound like a lot for nearly 15,000 rolls. But if you break that down into an hourly rate, it's roughly a third of a unit for every hour. So it depends how you want to look at it. 72 hours at the table is short-term, but at least it didn't fail.

It's a good book and I will try and dig out some different stats and post them up.

Blue_Angel · August 23, 2016, 01:14:40 AM

Quote from: Bally6354 on August 22, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
My '72 Hours at the Craps Table' book arrived this morning. I was looking forward to testing this PPdP*bet for D here*

In total there are 14,967 rolls.

DON'T pass winners = 2244

PASS winners = 2152

Luckily for me, at the bottom of each page are rows of circles and squares representing the PASS and DON'T results.

ok, ok.....get to the results.

+25. It doesn't sound like a lot for nearly 15,000 rolls. But if you break that down into an hourly rate, it's roughly a third of a unit for every hour. So it depends how you want to look at it. 72 hours at the table is short-term, but at least it didn't fail.

It's a good book and I will try and dig out some different stats and post them up.

For starters it's hard to swallow that this guy got 14,967 rolls from 72 hours at the craps table, he should have recorded much less, or perhaps those decisions were software generated.

Bally, could you please check my method, the exact way I've described it, on the results from that book?

Bally6354 · August 23, 2016, 08:46:53 AM

BA, it does say that the results came from a live table in Vegas. However admittedly we don't know that for sure.

I will give your method a workout over the next few days using some results from the book and get back to you. I like the game of Craps. It takes some time to get your head around it for sure, but once you understand it, I can imagine it is a much more fun game to play than Roulette.

cheers