*******7 on 1*******

TwoCatSam · January 17, 2013, 11:42:04 AM

OK.......not being critical.........don't delete me!

It seems about a half a mile between asterisks. How does a human actually do this in a casino? Am I the only one who pees?

Sam

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 01:17:32 PM

Quote from: Bayes on January 17, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
John, here are the results which the program produced from your spins above. I'd appreciate it if you could look over them because there is a difference from your results, in particular, +11 units were made and not +10.

The numbers to the right of the spins show the gaps between doz 1, a "L" shows a bet which was lost, and an asterisk shows a trigger.

21 1
19 2
29 3
36 4
7 5
7 1
16 1
12 2
20 1
2 2
7 1
11 1
6 1
34 1
24 2
35 3
12 4
8 1
23 1
24 2
22 3
22 4
10 5
27 1
18 2
28 3
15 4
21 5
17 6
28 7
4 8
30 1
1 2
8 1
16 1
36 2
13 3
2 4
24 1
4 2
30 1
17 2
18 3
31 4
1 5
29 1
27 2
25 3
3 4
7 1
1 1
18 1
33 2
7 3
35 1
11 2
1 1
17 1
14 2
9 3
19 1
6 2
4 1
35 1
6 2
6 1
19 1
34 2
0 3
26 4
30 5
13 6
35 7
16 8
11 9
7 1
27 1
13 2
35 3
13 4
7 5
12 1
7 1
10 1
24 1
26 2
5 3
22 1
24 2
6 3
25 1
10 2
31 1
35 2
10 3
30 1
13 2
6 3
26 1
29 2
3 3
15 1
2 2
21 1
14 2
29 3
9 4
14 1
7 2
34 1
14 2
20 3
3 4 *
14 1
30 2
0 3
28 4 +1
15 5
36 6
5 7
28 1
23 2
34 3
23 4
15 5
14 6
29 7
35 8
1 9
0 1
23 2
24 3
16 4
17 5
20 6
12 7
19 1
11 2
36 1
16 2
12 3
28 1
9 2
27 1
5 2
7 1
18 1
28 2
4 3
22 1
24 2
17 3
28 4
23 5
30 6
14 7
2 8
27 1
29 2
32 3
22 4
16 5
36 6
20 7
1 8
4 1
16 1
4 2
28 1
27 2
5 3
14 1
0 2
7 3
25 1
18 2
29 3
18 4
34 5
19 6
23 7
19 8
11 9
3 1
3 1
35 1
35 2
20 3
27 4
10 5
16 1
4 2
16 1
10 2
15 1
17 2
26 3
24 4
33 5
17 6
19 7
33 8
16 9
9 10
5 1
16 1
30 2
13 3
16 4
2 5
28 1
13 2
8 3
19 1
3 2
21 1
4 2
14 1
2 2
5 1
12 1
11 1
32 1
7 2
35 1
11 2
20 1
17 2
16 3
14 4
2 5
35 1
7 2
20 1
18 2
3 3
24 1
30 2
31 3
30 4
17 5
26 6
23 7
10 8
30 1
30 2
6 3
16 1
10 2
26 1
27 2
8 3
28 1
4 2
9 1
24 1
22 2
10 3
3 1
20 1
3 2
21 1
3 2
3 1
7 1
17 1
36 2
33 3
17 4
22 5
33 6
16 7
10 8
7 1
8 1
11 1
9 1
26 1
25 2
7 3
36 1
25 2
24 3
29 4
34 5
35 6
28 7
2 8
27 1
36 2
24 3
29 4
21 5
18 6
5 7
14 1
34 2
17 3
19 4
27 5
17 6
3 7
5 1
27 1
12 2
12 1
6 1
19 1
18 2
18 3
30 4
15 5
22 6
4 7
18 1
33 2
26 3
4 4
19 1
33 2
28 3
7 4 *
33 1
7 2
29 1
17 2
14 3
14 4 +1
29 5
10 6
30 1
23 2
20 3
19 4
26 5
9 6
36 1
31 2
5 3
33 1
16 2
16 3
26 4
21 5
20 6
29 7
33 8
21 9
2 10
33 1
27 2
26 3
4 4
27 1
19 2
30 3
25 4
26 5
35 6
22 7
7 8
26 1
17 2
23 3
23 4
7 5
30 1
18 2
24 3
21 4
30 5
18 6
36 7
30 8
19 9
9 10
9 1
16 1
19 2
32 3
32 4
21 5
18 6
1 7
7 1
12 1
4 1
24 1
4 2
20 1
1 2
22 1
20 2
21 3
7 4
26 1
23 2
15 3
21 4
0 5
27 6
9 7
29 1
1 2
34 1
14 2
36 3
4 4
34 1
0 2
28 3
1 4 *
15 1
0 2
14 3
15 4 +1
30 5
14 6
28 7
0 8
9 9
27 1
33 2
9 3
22 1
22 2
35 3
16 4
17 5
4 6
13 1
24 2
26 3
28 4
16 5
18 6
2 7
18 1
9 2
20 1
35 2
0 3
13 4
17 5
26 6
15 7
12 8
6 1
34 1
36 2
6 3
9 1
4 1
10 1
1 1
27 1
21 2
14 3
13 4
35 5
21 6
24 7
0 8
31 9
25 10
14 11
32 12
10 13
17 1
36 2
22 3
34 4
12 5
8 1
22 1
2 2
27 1
32 2
13 3
31 4
17 5
21 6
32 7
29 8
15 9
28 10
19 11
14 12
12 13
6 1
36 1
4 2
3 1
12 1
20 1
24 2
36 3
12 4
24 1
10 2
16 1
0 2
22 3
25 4
32 5
9 6
22 1
27 2
28 3
20 4
1 5
33 1
8 2
28 1
35 2
18 3
14 4
14 5
33 6
22 7
21 8
24 9
31 10
29 11
8 12
10 1
18 1
18 2
14 3
8 4
29 1
16 2
10 3
27 1
28 2
7 3
11 1
29 1
13 2
14 3
4 4 *
20 1
32 2
25 3
35 4 +1
9 5
16 1
11 2
14 1
9 2
26 1
29 2
6 3
16 1
36 2
33 3
12 4
24 1
13 2
30 3
24 4
26 5
13 6
22 7
9 8
12 1
22 1
34 2
17 3
18 4
32 5
35 6
1 7
3 1
15 1
23 2
16 3
25 4
12 5
3 1
23 1
21 2
17 3
14 4
30 5
7 6
15 1
13 2
23 3
23 4
25 5
0 6
21 7
18 8
12 9
27 1
23 2
34 3
24 4
8 5
3 1
0 1
8 2
11 1
29 1
11 2
6 1
5 1
18 1
26 2
24 3
29 4
17 5
18 6
26 7
28 8
13 9
22 10
6 11
3 1
16 1
14 2
0 3
17 4
35 5
7 6
29 1
26 2
25 3
25 4
17 5
19 6
35 7
36 8
15 9
13 10
26 11
13 12
25 13
23 14
33 15
0 16
17 17
10 18
4 1
5 1
36 1
12 2
19 1
11 2
11 1
35 1
1 2
0 1
32 2
22 3
20 4
17 5
27 6
17 7
27 8
28 9
20 10
8 11
33 1
2 2
18 1
0 2
1 3
14 1
18 2
18 3
14 4
7 5
30 1
18 2
32 3
25 4
29 5
19 6
5 7
36 1
31 2
33 3
25 4
26 5
28 6
29 7
5 8
0 1
8 2
32 1
1 2
11 1
17 1
27 2
23 3
35 4
18 5
7 6
3 1
20 1
4 2
6 1
28 1
36 2
25 3
11 4
1 1
11 1
25 1
26 2
36 3
8 4 *
29 1
29 2
25 3
24 4 +1
9 5
18 1
19 2
16 3
9 4
30 1
32 2
19 3
26 4
17 5
0 6
9 7
15 1
29 2
4 3
1 1
4 1
0 1
31 2
35 3
5 4
24 1
32 2
4 3
6 1
12 1
29 1
28 2
8 3
21 1
10 2
35 1
32 2
3 3
17 1
15 2
32 3
10 4 *
20 1
18 2
31 3
30 4 +1
27 5
24 6
12 7
26 1
14 2
35 3
36 4
16 5
13 6
31 7
7 8
16 1
25 2
11 3
30 1
28 2
15 3
7 4
4 1
4 1
30 1
29 2
4 3
36 1
28 2
22 3
4 4 *
4 1
11 1
16 1
14 2
7 3
24 1
30 2
8 3
32 1
8 2
18 1
9 2
33 1
4 2
9 1
33 1
20 2
26 3
1 4 L
5 1
16 1
21 2
8 3
20 1
13 2
19 3
12 4 L
21 1
22 2
6 3
23 1
1 2
8 1
16 1
17 2
32 3
0 4 L
18 5
14 6
6 7
7 1
32 1
29 2
18 3
28 4 +1
33 5
31 6
9 7
33 1
10 2
15 1
24 2
27 3
2 4
18 1
19 2
7 3
26 1
26 2
26 3
11 4 *
19 1
8 2
22 1
20 2
9 3
28 1
30 2
24 3
3 4 L
0 1
7 2
20 1
24 2
1 3
7 1
16 1
17 2
11 3
12 1
15 1
24 2
24 3
33 4 +1
3 5
25 1
23 2
3 3
20 1
23 2
2 3
4 1
20 1
19 2
35 3
34 4
36 5
0 6
18 7
28 8
21 9
7 10
12 1
11 1
31 1
30 2
12 3
34 1
12 2
23 1
10 2
4 1
36 1
4 2
33 1
15 2
33 3
7 4
12 1
9 1
11 1
21 1
22 2
10 3
26 1
1 2
20 1
36 2
14 3
36 4
28 5
8 6
4 1
21 1
1 2
20 1
0 2
23 3
33 4
6 5
31 1
6 2
14 1
25 2
18 3
34 4
10 5
27 1
20 2
15 3
8 4
2 1
13 1
31 2
17 3
28 4
7 5
28 1
23 2
29 3
27 4
17 5
29 6
28 7
27 8
1 9
29 1
35 2
35 3
15 4
30 5
18 6
15 7
30 8
12 9
1 1
32 1
14 2
35 3
14 4
17 5
2 6
35 1
21 2
23 3
26 4
29 5
3 6
16 1
20 2
31 3
16 4
33 5
27 6
25 7
33 8
29 9
13 10
7 11
20 1
20 2
16 3
12 4
16 1
15 2
15 3
28 4
8 5
1 1
29 1
4 2
33 1
1 2
36 1
8 2
28 1
1 2
17 1
27 2
28 3
30 4
5 5
32 1
34 2
29 3
3 4
23 1
6 2
27 1
11 2
36 1
13 2
27 3
35 4
19 5
18 6
10 7
26 1
11 2
9 1
32 1
15 2
32 3
29 4
26 5
34 6
24 7
26 8
17 9
13 10
17 11
12 12
27 1
12 2
13 1
10 2
11 1
29 1
28 2
3 3
36 1
25 2
27 3
16 4
14 5
10 6
21 1
8 2
14 1
18 2
23 3
7 4
11 1
18 1
15 2
23 3
31 4
25 5
34 6
16 7
31 8
25 9
4 10
13 1
23 2
33 3
35 4
19 5
14 6
4 7
9 1
7 1
32 1
9 2
5 1
29 1
16 2
25 3
24 4
6 5
5 1
20 1
15 2
1 3
8 1
14 1
33 2
33 3
32 4
0 5
24 6
35 7
2 8
27 1
33 2
12 3
32 1
23 2
12 3
26 1
32 2
13 3
9 4
1 1
32 1
29 2
32 3
18 4
29 5
16 6
33 7
30 8
36 9
24 10
11 11
30 1
20 2
11 3
17 1
6 2
7 1
26 1
20 2
11 3
1 1
28 1
34 2
29 3
33 4
11 5
5 1
32 1
27 2
29 3
34 4
4 5
13 1
4 2
21 1
19 2
13 3
31 4
17 5
27 6
10 7
22 1
34 2
22 3
6 4
21 1
10 2
35 1
7 2
21 1
8 2
19 1
24 2
3 3
12 1
10 1
3 1
26 1
0 2
1 3
31 1
25 2
15 3
36 4
28 5
35 6
33 7
34 8
1 9
6 1
20 1
16 2
17 3
5 4
36 1
14 2
0 3
16 4
18 5
28 6
12 7
13 1
12 2
23 1
31 2
36 3
12 4
12 1
32 1
22 2
23 3
8 4 *
5 1
13 1
33 2
5 3
17 1
5 2
18 1
27 2
26 3
26 4 +1
9 5
17 1
35 2
3 3
3 1
8 1
36 1
8 2
9 1
7 1
36 1
32 2
21 3
24 4
18 5
26 6
1 7
17 1
23 2
29 3
24 4
17 5
18 6
2 7
18 1
6 2
33 1
15 2
1 3
0 1
11 2
26 1
28 2
12 3
4 1
7 1
34 1
5 2
35 1
6 2
27 1
26 2
19 3
32 4
21 5
24 6
19 7
21 8
23 9
8 10
29 1
1 2
27 1
29 2
30 3
3 4
14 1
21 2
16 3
21 4
6 5
27 1
27 2
17 3
8 4
22 1
13 2
10 3
5 1
5 1
31 1
22 2
3 3
32 1
15 2
5 3
0 1
23 2
31 3
31 4
9 5
5 1
28 1
4 2
19 1
9 2
1 1
26 1
27 2
32 3
18 4
15 5
20 6
36 7
33 8
11 9
29 1
28 2
4 3
3 1
15 1
11 2
22 1
27 2
17 3
7 4
0 1
18 2
18 3
24 4
12 5
29 1
2 2
26 1
34 2
31 3
24 4
31 5
1 6
8 1
25 1
23 2
18 3
26 4
30 5
28 6
26 7
16 8
23 9
15 10
29 11
15 12
13 13
23 14
3 15
34 1
1 2
8 1
28 1
24 2
26 3
26 4
34 5
26 6
8 7
19 1
26 2
36 3
31 4
24 5
27 6
33 7
14 8
12 9
31 1
8 2
24 1
4 2
2 1
7 1
33 1
0 2
29 3
1 4
24 1
6 2
8 1
15 1
34 2
19 3
2 4 *
16 1
12 2
31 1
19 2
32 3
33 4 +1
2 5
18 1
11 2
25 1
24 2
1 3
0 1
0 2
20 3
34 4
27 5
26 6
2 7
32 1
31 2
27 3
4 4
19 1
27 2
36 3
33 4
33 5
17 6
11 7
20 1
11 2
24 1
0 2
3 3
1 1
21 1
8 2
32 1
27 2
22 3
32 4
34 5
30 6
31 7
26 8
29 9
6 10
2 1
24 1
23 2
2 3
24 1
12 2
10 1
13 1
11 2
35 1
34 2
2 3
15 1
13 2
33 3
33 4
1 5
13 1
18 2
12 3
2 1
13 1
18 2
29 3
23 4
1 5
17 1
2 2
26 1
23 2
23 3
36 4
34 5
4 6
32 1
18 2
34 3
29 4
36 5
27 6
19 7
8 8
9 1
21 1
18 2
7 3
2 1
9 1
13 1
3 2
3 1
13 1
25 2
17 3
16 4
3 5
8 1
32 1
11 2
22 1
31 2
35 3
19 4
27 5
6 6
28 1
29 2
3 3
34 1
12 2
30 1
2 2
6 1
18 1
32 2
13 3
0 4
0 5
21 6
28 7
17 8
30 9
32 10
1 11
24 1
25 2
10 3
1 1
4 1
36 1
18 2
13 3
20 4
29 5
2 6
32 1
20 2
9 3
16 1
28 2
35 3
2 4
10 1
26 1
1 2
14 1
32 2
12 3
8 1
35 1
0 2
32 3
3 4 *
8 1
33 1
8 2
10 1
7 1
18 1
1 2
4 1
2 1
2 1
9 1
3 1
13 1
27 2
29 3
31 4 +1
8 5
31 1
16 2
10 3
5 1
33 1
5 2
32 1

I will have to take a look Bayes would be easier if you had marked each win in ascending numbers 1--11.

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 01:20:37 PM

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 17, 2013, 11:42:04 AM
OK.......not being critical.........don't delete me!

It seems about a half a mile between asterisks. How does a human actually do this in a casino? Am I the only one who pees?

Sam

Sam these are results for dozen 1 only. If we were tracking all three dozens, we would get a greater volume of games. Bayes million spin tests showed an average of about 1 game every 62 spins.

TwoCatSam · January 17, 2013, 04:15:56 PM

Thanks again, John

Sorry I didn't read the post more clearly.

With your permission and when my wife feels the need to buy me another gift--she bought me Stef and Nicks Excel Bot for Christmas--I will pay the guys to program your method into my bot and play on BV.

If Uncle Ralph says it's fair, that's good enough for me. I really need to hurry before he cleans them out!!

Sam

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 04:23:32 PM

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 17, 2013, 04:15:56 PM
Thanks again, John

Sorry I didn't read the post more clearly.

With your permission and when my wife feels the need to buy me another gift--she bought me Stef and Nicks Excel Bot for Christmas--I will pay the guys to program your method into my bot and play on BV.

If Uncle Ralph says it's fair, that's good enough for me. I really need to hurry before he cleans them out!!

Sam

Sam that's what the methods here for. I don't know about BV for this method. I gave Juiced91 some pocket money to have a go with it there.

I know one thing for sure. there's an online casino that will have to stop me at some point. Or I will eventually play my way to a million bucks over the next two years.

Superman · January 17, 2013, 04:25:09 PM

QuoteI gave Juiced91 some pocket money to have a go with it there

That's nice, hey Juiced?

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM

Quote from: Superman on January 17, 2013, 04:25:09 PM

That's nice, hey Juiced?

Im a nice guy Superman, but lets not let too many people know that.

Bayes · January 17, 2013, 05:27:54 PM

John, I've found the missing win in my results. The first win is at spin no. 117 which you DON'T have -

21 1
19 2
29 3
36 4
7 5
7 1
16 1
12 2
20 1
2 2
7 1
11 1
6 1
34 1
24 2
35 3
12 4
8 1
23 1
24 2
22 3
22 4
10 5
27 1
18 2
28 3
15 4
21 5
17 6
28 7
4 8
30 1
1 2
8 1
16 1
36 2
13 3
2 4
24 1
4 2
30 1
17 2
18 3
31 4
1 5
29 1
27 2
25 3
3 4
7 1
1 1
18 1
33 2
7 3
35 1
11 2
1 1
17 1
14 2
9 3
19 1
6 2
4 1
35 1
6 2
6 1
19 1
34 2
0 3
26 4
30 5
13 6
35 7
16 8
11 9
7 1
27 1
13 2
35 3
13 4
7 5
12 1
7 1
10 1
24 1
26 2
5 3
22 1
24 2
6 3
25 1
10 2
31 1
35 2
10 3
30 1
13 2
6 3
26 1
29 2
3 3
15 1
2 2
21 1
14 2
29 3
9 4 -- 1st 4 gap
14 1
7 2
34 1
14 2
20 3
3 4 -- 2nd 4 gap
14 1
30 2
0 3
28 4 +1 -- WIN at spin 117

All other wins in my results match perfectly with yours.

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 05:40:05 PM

Well done Bayes. Okay so for some reason I skipped/missed that one. Must of been all the Jim Beem I was knocking back that day lol! Well 11 wins instead of 10 even better.

I will have to highlight that on my records. Thanks for the discovery.

Superman · January 17, 2013, 05:42:31 PM

JL, can you inform us how you recover from a loss of progression, as it could be weeks worth of effort just to get back to where you were before the loss, or do you risk multiplying your bet size to regain faster? as 243 units is a lot of games AND even more spins on a live wheel, many hours.

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 05:51:25 PM

Quote from: Superman on January 17, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
JL, can you inform us how you recover from a loss of progression, as it could be weeks worth of effort just to get back to where you were before the loss, or do you risk multiplying your bet size to regain faster? as 243 units is a lot of games AND even more spins on a live wheel, many hours.

Superman that's hard for me to answer at the moment. As I have yet to lose after 950 games. I think Bayes holds the answer. When he finally does the true breakdown for this method. Id like him to go into fine detail.

Lets say it loses 35 times in a Million spins with the ZERO FACTOR included. That would still show a profit. Now the next thing to find out is the average spacing of these losses.

And for your peace of mind as well as excellent progression thinkers like Atlantis. It would be well worth knowing. How many of the 15---16 thousand winners hit on the first two steps of the progression.

Im not saying 242 units and five steps is the best way to play this. Im only doing so, because A, I can well afford it. And B, I've never seen a loss on a LIVE WHEEL. That's what everyone has to take onboard.

It may be playable in a far more acceptable way to many others. Lets wait and see.

Superman · January 17, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

QuoteI've never seen a loss on a LIVE WHEEL

IS 81 units X2 the most you've been asked to bet or have you not reached that size yet, if you have how often?

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 06:08:35 PM

Quote from: Superman on January 17, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

IS 81 units X2 the most you've been asked to bet or have you not reached that size yet, if you have how often?

I've never been challenged ONCE yet Superman. I have gone to 27--27 Seven times in the 950 games I've played. But never 81--81.

In all the records I have for the Zone Superman nearly 3,000. There are only TWO challenges on the progression 81--81. But it survived them both and ended up being a 6 in both cases. That's where my enthusiasm comes from for this method.

Now I have no doubt Bayes will find plenty of losses in his million spin sagas. But if any method will make the argument for random entry into the cycle. H.A.R. You can bet your socks it will be this one.

Gizmotron · January 17, 2013, 08:04:01 PM

I'm having difficulty accepting the results Bayes got. I spent this morning writing an app that is far more complex than this. It fails at just a little more than the amount you win at. I guess I'll be forced to write a sim for this and to test it myself. It's just not possible to use such a simple, mindless trigger and to beat this game. But if it does you will have more confirmation that it works. I'm sure it doesn't.

JohnLegend · January 17, 2013, 08:22:21 PM

Quote from: Gizmotron on January 17, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
I'm having difficulty accepting the results Bayes got. I spent this morning writing an app that is far more complex than this. It fails at just a little more than the amount you win at. I guess I'll be forced to write a sim for this and to test it myself. It's just not possible to use such a simple, mindless trigger and to beat this game. But if it does you will have more confirmation that it works. I'm sure it doesn't.

First off even if Bayes tests were negative zero or no zero. I will still be playing this method for the rest of my days.

LIVE is the only way I will play this method, and H.A.R, and those two facts are going to make 7 ON 1 a virtual H.A.R grail.

The problem for you Giz and your counterpart. Is you think you know too much. As if your years guarantee unlimited wisdom.

Unfortunately they don't. I don't know it all, and you don't know it all. But one thing I do know. Is this method played as I play it. Is going to make some serious cash over the coming years.