Quote from: spike on January 17, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
My god. Its all ONE BIG GAME! Jumping to another
table or casino with hit and run does NOTHING
NOTHING NOTHING to change or negate the edge.

This is roulette 101 stuff. This is newbie folly. I
can't believe the smarter people here (Victor?),
let you get away with the statements you make.

Wrap your head around the fact that random is
random, jumping from one table of random outcomes
to another table of random outcomes changes
nothing. HOW COULD IT? Random outcomes are
not connected to anything, they're RANDOM.

Good grief.

You be around to explain What im going to show you. H.A.R means nothing.

It will be time to eat one huge slice of humble pie.

And you will still be going on about the edge you have with no proof.

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 17, 2013, 09:55:44 PM
You be around to explain What im going to show you.

Saying what you're going to do in 6 months
is not an answer to anything. Its what you
know now that counts, not what you might
know at some future date.

I proved that HAR is meaningless. A few years
ago I took my method and played in on 5
streams of real numbers at the same time.
Bet on stream 1. Then bet on stream 2. Next
bet on stream 3. Etc. Pretending I'm in a real
casino doing hit and run. The results were exactly
the same as if I'd stayed with just one stream.

Get it? HAR made no difference at all, how could it?
Random is random, whether its coming from one
wheel or 5 wheels. HAR is a waste of time.

Want to beat roulette? Study how random works,
understand the game. Hardly anybody here talks
about random, they treat it like its an obstacle
they have to overcome. Its not an obstacle, its the
tool you use to beat the game. Random IS the game,
for god's sake.

Quote from: spike on January 17, 2013, 10:29:07 PM
Saying what you're going to do in 6 months
is not an answer to anything. Its what you
know now that counts, not what you might
know at some future date.

I proved that HAR is meaningless. A few years
ago I took my method and played in on 5
streams of real numbers at the same time.
Bet on stream 1. Then bet on stream 2. Next
bet on stream 3. Etc. Pretending I'm in a real
casino doing hit and run. The results were exactly
the same as if I'd stayed with just one stream.

Get it? HAR made no difference at all, how could it?
Random is random, whether its coming from one
wheel or 5 wheels. HAR is a waste of time.

Want to beat roulette? Study how random works,
understand the game. Hardly anybody here talks
about random, they treat it like its an obstacle
they have to overcome. Its not an obstacle, its the
tool you use to beat the game. Random IS the game,
for god's sake.

I've been beating roulette for 8 years. Its hardly breaking news that you have to beat random. The point is I will prove it. While you still talk about having an edge without any proof.

Talk is cheap. I did enough of it. Now im in the process of proving it. Youll still be talking the talk in July. Without one iota of proof.

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 17, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
I've been beating roulette for 8 years. Its hardly breaking news that you have to beat random.

If you think HAR has any validity, you don't understand
random at all. AT ALL! My god, its like talking to a wall.
So you played for 8 years, so what. Making the same
mistakes, not understanding the game for 8 years is
no accomplishment. Random is all there is to roulette,
get your mind off the stupid layout and concentrate
on what's important and you might get somewhere.

Quote from: spike on January 17, 2013, 11:23:13 PM
If you think HAR has any validity, you don't understand
random at all. AT ALL! My god, its like talking to a wall.
So you played for 8 years, so what. Making the same
mistakes, not understanding the game for 8 years is
no accomplishment. Random is all there is to roulette,
get your mind off the stupid layout and concentrate
on what's important and you might get somewhere.

Oh I've been getting somewhere alright, you are simply not the authority on this game. YOU don't even have a method. NOTHING, nada.

Quote from: Gizmotron on January 17, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
John, please explain how HAR applies to this system? I can't test it if it has no explanation.

Giz you don't get it and neverwill. MAYBE cold hard cash might wake you up to the fact I've had this game in the bag for a long time. Then again maybe it won't.

Giz any slander goes. The only thing im going to do is bruise a couple of egos around here. That's the reality.

Quote from: spike on January 17, 2013, 10:29:07 PM
Want to beat roulette? Study how random works,
understand the game. Hardly anybody here talks
about random, they treat it like its an obstacle
they have to overcome. Its not an obstacle, its the
tool you use to beat the game. Random IS the game,
for god's sake.

Could you make a thread and talk about it? If you are right and this is the key shouldn't we have a topic about that and research it more? I for one would be interested, I know others would be too 

weather HAR works or not - you can't possibly know
why?
because if the wheel is really random then you have no way of testing or knowing that ( leading to the fact that it makes no difference weather you play HAR or not? )
JL has 950 wins in a row, maybe he will hit 5 losses in a row tomorrow? its random so anything is possible - that's why we (at least me) love the game
just my opinion - I could be wrong 

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 18, 2013, 05:35:52 AM
Oh I've been getting somewhere alright, you are simply not the authority on this game

How would you know..

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 18, 2013, 05:41:21 AM
Giz you don't get it and neverwill.

I don't even like Gizmo and he knows more about
this game than you ever will. We have a state called
Texas. They have a saying there, when somebody
is a braggart with nothing to back him up, he's
'all hat and no cattle'.  That means he struts around
like a real cowboy, running his mouth, saying stupid
things, but in reality he's just a fancy hat with nothing
in the barn.

that's you.

Quote from: soggett on January 18, 2013, 07:26:32 AM

weather HAR works or not - you can't possibly know
why?
because if the wheel is really random then you have no way of testing

Smart guy you are. You're correct. The only way
you would know is if you had a method that wins
more than it loses. If you had that, you could test
in a myriad of situations and determine what works
and what doesn't.

Guess what? Go and read my 16,000 posts on GG
(that's right, 16,000), and we'll talk again...

Quote from: spike on January 18, 2013, 09:03:57 AM
I don't even like Gizmo and he knows more about
this game than you ever will. We have a state called
Texas. They have a saying there, when somebody
is a braggart with nothing to back him up, he's
'all hat and no cattle'.  That means he struts around
like a real cowboy, running his mouth, saying stupid
things, but in reality he's just a fancy hat with nothing
in the barn.

that's you.

Id say that sums you up. I MEAN you don't even have a method on the forum.

Quote from: spike on January 18, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Smart guy you are. You're correct. The only way
you would know is if you had a method that wins
more than it loses. If you had that, you could test
in a myriad of situations and determine what works
and what doesn't.

Guess what? Go and read my 16,000 posts on GG
(that's right, 16,000), and we'll talk again...

I agree with you
btw, it says "only" 15144 posts
will take a look, thanks

Quote from: spike on January 18, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Guess what? Go and read my 16,000 posts on GG
(that's right, 16,000), and we'll talk again...

That all say how you're so amazing. Must be a blast to read them all.

Ok, I have some results for the 1M spin file(attached). Note that this is for Doz 1 only. There are some stats at the end of the file. Note that "LB" means loss of bank. Sadly, the results went negative at spin 46,653 and never recovered.