First off, thanks to everyone on all of the Roulette Forums for all of the great theory and strategy info.
The following is a system that I have culled together from John Legend's "Pattern Breaker" methodology and the standard Labby betting progression. It has yet to lose, so I welcome anyone who can shoot it down. Please note that this system is only for use on a live wheel, as I have not tried it on the RNG Systems. As always, jumping from table to table is preferred, but not mandatory for success. This system can be played after only 3 spins (most cases) of charting.
Bankroll : $300-500 ($1/1 unit bet)
Average wins (conservative) : 1 unit/ 3 spins (ex. 12 spins = 4 units won)
Betting Size : $2-$100 (max-betting includes complete bet for two dozens - ex $1/$1 - $50/$50)
The System :
Start by recording the first three spins (or more if you prefer) to make the first line using the results from the Dozens (or Columns).
Ex. Spins : 19-15-31-27-25-17-34-03-03-16-17-04-15-18-07-05-32-29
...so your first line is
223 (first three dozens) - we are now going to bet that the next line is going to be different (but with a bit of a twist that you'll see in a moment)
3 w (betting on other two dozens to win - 1/3 in this instance)
33 w
332 w
...so now the first two lines read
223
332 ...then
3 L ...so now we will wait to bet again until we have another win (so we are betting for streaks of different results)
31 w (no bet, but first win is a trigger so bet next spin-always following win)
311 w
...continuing
223
332
311[size=78%] [/size]
221 wwL (two wins, loss, and then wait for another win)
221 LLL (three loss, but no bets, so no problem)
1 w (trigger - no bet)
13 w
133 w
So our total win loss line so far looks like this :
223
332 www
311 Lww
221 wwL
221 LLL
133 www
wwwLwwwLww
Betting Progression :
I use a simple three step Labby as follows :
l
l
l
...for every loss you will add 2 units to the Labby like so :
l
ll
ll
...next bet 1 unit (x2 - 1 for each dozen)
results (remove top line from Labby)
ll
ll
...next bet 2 units (x2 - 1 for each dozen)
results (remove top line from Labby)
ll
...and on until you're done-winning 3 units.
Here is what the progression would have looked like played out for each bet:
wwwLwwwLww
l
l
l
-------w
l
l
-------w
l
-------w
start new lines (+ 3 units won)
l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
-------w
ll
ll
-------w
ll
-------w
start new lines (+ 3 units won)
l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
------w
ll
ll
------w
ll
....and so on ...
The power of this system is that it appears to keep the losing streaks to a bare minimum. Due to the long winning streaks, I would suggest any rare betting situation which reaches 50 units (100 units total bet) to be added as lines instead of adding to the existing lines in the event of a loss to keep from reaching table limits. I have not seen a bet reach 50 units, but i'm sure it's possible at some point if you play long enough. Also, I treat the Zero(s) as losses (add to Labby) where they appear, and play through as if they do not exist.
I have studied roulette over the years as a hobby, and own a production/design company that takes up most of my time, but I will try to respond to any questions if you have them.
Happy Hunting!!! :)
theLaw
Sample Game : (actual spins - live wheel - single Zero)*
Spins: 180
Win: +66 units (+1 unit/2.7 spins)
*No zeros in this game, but I used this game because it was a particularly ban run in terms of losses. W/L ratio is usually closer to 3/1*
Bets Won : 75**
Bets Lost : 38
**added lines to 9 bets - all single line (marti) over 3 units - helps to keep any multiple losses low verses when bets are higher
Max Overall Drawdown : -01
Largest Bet : 24x2 (-48 total bet)
Longest Losing Run : 4 Bets (uncommon-usually 3 max most games)
Longest Winning Run : 7 Bets (common up to 12)
Longest Wait for Trigger : 3 + Trigger (4 total)
Dozen w/L Total (underscore =no bet including triggers)
222 (first line charted)
321 wL_ -01
213 www +04
122 www +07
221 wL_ +06
333 www +11
312 L_w +12
312 L_ _ +10
321 _ _w +11
332 L_w +11
131 wL_ +13
321 wwL +12
332 _ _w +16
321 L_w +13
323 L_ _ +02
212 www +19
122 wwL +19
221 _L_ +17
123 wL_ +14
323 wL_ +08
111 _ww +24
331 wwL +24
221 _wL +25
132 _ww +26
222 wwL +29
221 _ _ _
121 wL_ +27
113 _ _ w +30
132 L_w +28
131 L_ _ +16
222 www +34
113 www +37
312 wL_ +36
321 L_w +34
133 www +41
233 wL_ +40
331 _L_ +38
332 L_ _ +34
222 wwL +34
111 _ww +45
131 L_L +41
322 _ww +45
313 L_w +43
222 www +50
233 L_w +51
223 L_L +47
221 _ _ _
213 L_w +46
133 wwL +52
213 _wL +49
121 _ww +57
323 www +60
331 L_w +59
133 wL_ +57
133 L_ _ +51
332 _L_ +39
313 L_w +39
212 wL_ +61
332 wwL +58
121 _ww +66
Total : +66
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Supa Labby Breaker (100 spins) *using Supa Dupa Street Bets*
Bankroll Needed : $1200-1500 (4/$1x2 units needed to cover street bets)
Win: +180 units (+1.8 unit/1 spin)
Bets Won : 48
Bets Lost : 18
Max Overall Drawdown : -04
Largest Bet : 9x2x4 (-72 total bet)
Longest Losing Run : 3 Bets
Longest Winning Run : 7 Bets
Longest Wait for Trigger : 2 + Trigger (3 total)
747 (charting)
144 wL_ -04
477 wL_ +16
774 www +28
111 www +40
177 L_w +43
444 www +56
47o7 L_L_ +24
147 wwL +52
477 _wL +40
114 _ww +72
444 wwL +72
474 _ _ L +48
711 _ ww +84
117 wL_ +80
177 L_L +20
114 _ _w +56
411 wL_ +88
147 www +108
771 www +120
447 www +132
711 www +144
411 wL_ +140
11o7 _L_ _ +124
411 wL_ +108
147 www +160
17o7 L_L_ +140
444 _ww +172
144 wL_ +168
117 _ _w +172
4 w +180
Total : +180
theLaw
Welcome TL, thanks for sharing your method with us [smiley]skype/nod.gif[/smiley] [smiley]skype/yes.gif[/smiley]
Always great to see creative thinking flowing [smiley]skype/flex.gif[/smiley]
Quote from: TheLawjumping from table to table is preferred
...or making a lot of dozens on your own (a la Gizmotron).
HI LAW,
I TRY TO BET THE MATRIX STYLE
WHEN THE 'FIRST WIN' STRIKE, DO NOT BET THE REST.
WAIT FOR NEW LINE. TO START BET,...
222 (first line charted)
321 w-_
213 w--
122 w--
221 w--
333 w--
312 Lw-
312 LLL 3LOSSES=NO BET
321 L W- WIN=TRIGGER
332 LW-
131 w--
321 w--
332 LW-
321 LW-
323 LLW
212 W--
122 W--
221 W--
123 W--
323 W--
111 W--
331 W--
221 W--
132 W--
222 W--
221 LLW
121 W--
113 LW
132 LW-
131 LLW
222 W--
113 W--
312 W--
321 LW-
133 W--
233 W--
331 W--
332 LLW
222 W--
111 W--
131 LW-
322 W--
313 LW-
222 W--
233 LW-
223 LW-
221 LLW
213 LW-
133 W--
213 W--
121 W--
323 W--
331 LW-
133 W--
133 LLL 3LOSSES NO BET
332 W-- TRIGGER
313 LW-
212 W--
332 W--
121 W-
55WIN 30LOSSES
A GOOD PROGRESSION WILL WIN A BUNDLE...
THANKS...
xxxxxxxxxxx
Hi everyone,
wait for three different dozen to hit as trigger...
bet the trio won't repeated exactly...
3
2
1 =trigger [three different dz]
2 win
1 win
3 win
321 =trigger
213 =w,w,win...
losing bet =
123=trigger
123=l,l,lose!!!
2
2
2
3
2
1 trigger
2
1
3 trigger
1
2 trigger
2
2
2
1
3 trigger
3
3
3
1
2 trigger
3 trigger
1 trigger
2 trigger
3 trigger
2
1 trigger
3
3
2
1 trigger
3 trigger
1
3
2 trigger
1 trigger
3 trigger
3
2
3
2
1 trigger
3 trigger
2 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
2
1
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
3 trigger
3
2
3
1 trigger
1
1
3
3
1
2 trigger
2
1
1
3
2 trigger
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
3
1
3
2 trigger
1 trigger
3 trigger
1
2 trigger
2
2
1
1
3
3
1
2 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
1
3
3
2
3
3
3
3
1
3
3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1
1
3
1
3
2 trigger
2
3
1 trigger
3
2 trigger
2
2
2
3
3
2
2
3
2
2
1
2
1
3 trigger
1
3
3
2
1 trigger
3
1
2 trigger
1
3 trigger
2 trigger
3
3
3
1
1
3
3
1
3
3
3
3
2
3
1 trigger
3
2 trigger
1 trigger
2
3 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
2
1
let say l=lose, w=win
how to labby [HP.Johnson]the wl below
-----------
l.l.l.wwwwww
---------------------------
bet1/1=-2
l
l
l lose of [l].l.l.wwwwww
----------------------------
bet 1/1=-2=-4
l
ll
ll lose of [l].[l].l.wwwwww
------------
bet 1/1=-2=-6
l
lll
lll lose of [l].[l].[l].wwwwww
---------------
bet 1/1=+1=-5
l
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w]wwwww
-----------
bet 4/4=+4=-1
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w]wwww
============
bet 4/4=+4=+3
llll
win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w][w]www
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
how about llwlwlwlwww
bet 1/1=lose=-2
l
l
l
=lose=-2 [l]lwlwlwlwww
----------------
bet 1/1=-2=lose
l
ll
ll
lose=-2=-4, [l][l]wlwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=+2
ll
ll
lll
win=+2=-2, [l][l][w]lwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=lose-4
ll
lll
lose=-4=-6, [l][l][w][l]wlwlwww
------------------------
bet 4/4=+4win
llll
lllll
win=+4=-2, [l][l][w][l][w]lwlwww
---------------
bet 5/5=-10lose
lllll
lose=-10=-12,[l][l][w][l][w][l]wlwww
--------------
bet 15/15=win=+15
lllll,llllllllll
win=15=+3net ,[l][l][w][l][w][l][w]lwww
this is very dangerous as Mr Marthy kicks in when losing streaks!!!
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 10, 2014, 04:00:34 PM
let say l=lose, w=win
how to labby [HP.Johnson]the wl below
-----------
l.l.l.wwwwww
---------------------------
bet1/1=-2
l
l
l lose of [l].l.l.wwwwww
----------------------------
bet 1/1=-2=-4
l
ll
ll lose of [l].[l].l.wwwwww
------------
bet 1/1=-2=-6
l
lll
lll lose of [l].[l].[l].wwwwww
---------------
bet 1/1=+1=-5
l
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w]wwwww
-----------
bet 4/4=+4=-1
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w]wwww
============
bet 4/4=+4=+3
llll
win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w][w]www
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
how about llwlwlwlwww
bet 1/1=lose=-2
l
l
l
=lose=-2 [l]lwlwlwlwww
----------------
bet 1/1=-2=lose
l
ll
ll
lose=-2=-4, [l][l]wlwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=+2
ll
ll
lll
win=+2=-2, [l][l][w]lwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=lose-4
ll
lll
lose=-4=-6, [l][l][w][l]wlwlwww
------------------------
bet 4/4=+4win
llll
lllll
win=+4=-2, [l][l][w][l][w]lwlwww
---------------
bet 5/5=-10lose
lllll
lose=-10=-12,[l][l][w][l][w][l]wlwww
--------------
bet 15/15=win=+15
lllll,llllllllll
win=15=+3net ,[l][l][w][l][w][l][w]lwww
this is very dangerous as Mr Marthy kicks in when losing streaks!!!
Few ways that you can handle this :
-first, you can just add lines if the bets get too high (proper Bankroll needed of course = $300-$500 for $1 units)-As I said in my first post, I usually add a line early on when a bet gets past 3x2dozens for safety. Bankroll is meant to tolerate 10 losses in a row, or any variable of losses.
-second, you could look for a more conservative trigger (like waiting for 2 or 3 losses to begin progression-many ways this can be modified)
-third, try the Supa Dupa Streets bet to create a more (claimed) random distributaion
-fourth, increase Bankroll to suit your comfort level
Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session :)
QUOTE:[Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session]
SINCE u have faith there many wins, [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]long term, then this progression is better, methink...[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]
llwlwlwlwww
monte carlo=1234678... so on till positive
1l=-2=-2
2l=-4=-6
3w=+3=-3
4l=-8=-11
5w=+5=-6
6l=-12=-18
7w=+7=-11
8l=-16=-27
9w=+9=-18
10w=+10=-8
11w=+11=+3
methink, this less suicidal, but of course, there are many better progressions out there.
Anyone kind enough to show??[smiley]aes/vicious.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]?
Your bet selection is good as it avoid suffering long losing streaks, but the your labby/HP progression very dangerous as it will deplete yr bankroll very fast!!![smiley]aes/vampire.png[/smiley]
With good progression, you will win long term, methink...[smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]
Thanks!
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 05:46:16 AM
QUOTE:[Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session]
SINCE u have faith there many wins, [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]long term, then this progression is better, methink...[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]
llwlwlwlwww
monte carlo=1234678... so on till positive
1l=-2=-2
2l=-4=-6
3w=+3=-3
4l=-8=-11
5w=+5=-6
6l=-12=-18
7w=+7=-11
8l=-16=-27
9w=+9=-18
10w=+10=-8
11w=+11=+3
methink, this less suicidal, but of course, there are many better progressions out there.
Anyone kind enough to show??[smiley]aes/vicious.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]?
Your bet selection is good as it avoid suffering long losing streaks, but the your labby/HP progression very dangerous as it will deplete yr bankroll very fast!!![smiley]aes/vampire.png[/smiley]
With good progression, you will win long term, methink...[smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]
Thanks!
Hey Beat,After testing this progression early on, I discovered that you quickly reach a point of no return where you need 3 then 4 then 5 wins etc to get even. I'm sure there is a safer progression out there for this system, but I have yet to see it. There may even be a good version of Marti for this (most losses I've witnessed is 4) :)
(most losses I've witnessed is 4) (https://betselection.cc/Smileys/newfacies/smile.png)
Hi Law,
Then wait for 2 or 3 losses streaks, as 'trigger', then bet the loss streak will not over 4. with your labby or hp, or marthy, but of course place a stop-loss!!!
Only 'trigger play' may overcome the "edge", and 'long losing streaks'.
Waiting for trigger may boring, but hey!, we not rushing to lose money..
Please make a test, and share the result...
thanks....
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/the-whittacker-progression-for-dozen-and-column-bets/
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
(most losses I've witnessed is 4) (https://betselection.cc/Smileys/newfacies/smile.png)
Hi Law,
Then wait for 2 or 3 losses streaks, as 'trigger', then bet the loss streak will not over 4. with your labby or hp, or marthy, but of course place a stop-loss!!!
Only 'trigger play' may overcome the "edge", and 'long losing streaks'.
Waiting for trigger may boring, but hey!, we not rushing to lose money..
Please make a test, and share the result...
thanks....
Hey,Not enough betting opportunities for my taste, but yes you could easily use a 3 or 4 loss streak as trigger. You would probably be looking at 2-3 bets per hour average (using both dozens and columns) :)
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/the-whittacker-progression-for-dozen-and-column-bets/ (http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/the-whittacker-progression-for-dozen-and-column-bets/)
This system appears to be for single dozen play.
Quote from: TheLaw on July 11, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Hey,
Not enough betting opportunities for my taste, but yes you could easily use a 3 or 4 loss streak as trigger. You would probably be looking at 2-3 bets per hour average (using both dozens and columns) :)
Law,[smiley]aes/joking.png[/smiley]
many people can't even win EVEN ONE UNIT PERDAY! !![smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]
IF a system can win 1unit/day/365, and that unit=100, or 1000 dollar, what are we complaining about???[smiley]aes/love.png[/smiley]
We are looking for a slow but surely, not xciting but sorely ...!!! [smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley]
Please make a test and share how its going...
THANKS.[smiley]aes/kiss.png[/smiley]