First off, thanks to everyone on all of the Roulette Forums for all of the great theory and strategy info.


The following is a system that I have culled together from John Legend's "Pattern Breaker" methodology and the standard Labby betting progression. It has yet to lose, so I welcome anyone who can shoot it down. Please note that this system is only for use on a live wheel, as I have not tried it on the RNG Systems. As always, jumping from table to table is preferred, but not mandatory for success. This system can be played after only 3 spins (most cases) of charting.


Bankroll : $300-500 ($1/1 unit bet)


Average wins (conservative) : 1 unit/ 3 spins (ex. 12 spins = 4 units won)


Betting Size : $2-$100 (max-betting includes complete bet for two dozens - ex $1/$1 - $50/$50)


The System :


Start by recording the first three spins (or more if you prefer) to make the first line using the results from the Dozens (or Columns).


Ex. Spins : 19-15-31-27-25-17-34-03-03-16-17-04-15-18-07-05-32-29


...so your first line is


223 (first three dozens) - we are now going to bet that the next line is going to be different (but with a bit of a twist that you'll see in a moment)
3      w (betting on other two dozens to win - 1/3 in this instance)
33    w
332  w


...so now the first two lines read


223
332   ...then
3      L    ...so now we will wait to bet again until we have another win (so we are betting for streaks of different results)
31    w (no bet, but first win is a trigger so bet next spin-always following win)
311  w

...continuing


223
332
311[size=78%]   [/size]
221  wwL (two wins, loss, and then wait for another win)
221  LLL (three loss, but no bets, so no problem)
1      w (trigger - no bet)
13    w
133  w


So our total win loss line so far looks like this :


223
332  www
311  Lww
221  wwL
221  LLL
133  www


wwwLwwwLww


Betting Progression :


I use a simple three step Labby as follows :


l
l
l


...for every loss you will add 2 units to the Labby like so :


l
ll
ll


...next bet 1 unit (x2 - 1 for each dozen)


results (remove top line from Labby)


ll
ll


...next bet 2 units (x2 - 1 for each dozen)


results (remove top line from Labby)


ll


...and on until you're done-winning 3 units.


Here is what the progression would have looked like played out for each bet:


wwwLwwwLww

l
l
l
-------w
l
l
-------w
l
-------w


start new lines (+ 3 units won)


l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
-------w
ll
ll
-------w
ll
-------w



start new lines (+ 3 units won)


l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
------w
ll
ll
------w
ll


....and so on ...


The power of this system is that it appears to keep the losing streaks to a bare minimum. Due to the long winning streaks, I would suggest any rare betting situation which reaches 50 units (100 units total bet) to be added as lines instead of adding to the existing lines in the event of a loss to keep from reaching table limits. I have not seen a bet reach 50 units, but i'm sure it's possible at some point if you play long enough. Also, I treat the Zero(s) as losses (add to Labby) where they appear, and play through as if they do not exist.


I have studied roulette over the years as a hobby, and own a production/design company that takes up most of my time, but I will try to respond to any questions if you have them.


Happy Hunting!!!



                                                                                                                                       theLaw


Sample Game : (actual spins - live wheel - single Zero)*   


Spins: 180   


Win: +66 units (+1 unit/2.7 spins)


*No zeros in this game, but I used this game because it was a particularly ban run in terms of losses. W/L ratio is usually closer to 3/1*


Bets Won : 75**


Bets Lost : 38


**added lines to 9 bets - all single line (marti) over 3 units - helps to keep any multiple losses low verses when bets are higher


Max Overall Drawdown : -01


Largest Bet : 24x2 (-48 total bet)


Longest Losing Run : 4 Bets (uncommon-usually 3 max most games)


Longest Winning Run : 7 Bets (common up to 12)


Longest Wait for Trigger : 3 + Trigger (4 total)




Dozen   w/L      Total    (underscore =no bet including triggers)


222      (first line charted)
321      wL_      -01
213      www   +04
122      www   +07
221      wL_      +06
333      www   +11
312      L_w      +12
312      L_ _      +10
321      _ _w   +11
332      L_w      +11
131      wL_      +13
321      wwL   +12
332      _ _w   +16
321      L_w      +13
323      L_ _      +02
212      www   +19
122      wwL   +19
221      _L_      +17
123      wL_      +14
323      wL_      +08
111      _ww   +24
331      wwL   +24
221      _wL      +25
132      _ww   +26
222      wwL   +29
221      _ _ _      
121      wL_      +27
113      _ _ w   +30
132      L_w      +28
131      L_ _      +16
222      www   +34
113      www   +37
312      wL_      +36
321      L_w      +34
133      www   +41
233      wL_      +40
331      _L_      +38
332      L_ _      +34
222      wwL   +34
111      _ww   +45
131      L_L      +41
322      _ww   +45
313      L_w      +43
222      www   +50
233      L_w      +51
223      L_L      +47
221      _ _ _
213      L_w      +46
133      wwL   +52
213      _wL      +49
121      _ww   +57
323      www   +60
331      L_w      +59
133      wL_      +57
133      L_ _      +51
332      _L_      +39
313      L_w      +39
212      wL_      +61
332      wwL   +58
121      _ww   +66


Total : +66
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Supa Labby Breaker (100 spins) *using Supa Dupa Street Bets*


Bankroll Needed : $1200-1500 (4/$1x2 units needed to cover street bets)


Win: +180 units (+1.8 unit/1 spin)


Bets Won : 48


Bets Lost : 18


Max Overall Drawdown : -04


Largest Bet : 9x2x4 (-72 total bet)


Longest Losing Run : 3 Bets


Longest Winning Run : 7 Bets


Longest Wait for Trigger : 2 + Trigger (3 total)


747      (charting)
144      wL_               -04
477         wL_                +16
774      www      +28
111      www      +40
177      L_w              +43
444      www      +56
47o7   L_L_      +24
147      wwL      +52
477      _wL              +40
114      _ww      +72
444      wwL      +72
474      _ _ L      +48
711      _ ww      +84
117      wL_              +80
177      L_L              +20
114      _ _w      +56
411      wL_              +88
147      www      +108
771      www      +120
447      www      +132
711      www      +144
411      wL_              +140
11o7   _L_ _      +124
411      wL_              +108
147      www      +160
17o7   L_L_           +140
444      _ww      +172
144      wL_              +168
117      _ _w      +172
4      w              +180


Total : +180


                                                                        theLaw

Welcome TL, thanks for sharing your method with us [smiley]skype/nod.gif[/smiley] [smiley]skype/yes.gif[/smiley]

Always great to see creative thinking flowing [smiley]skype/flex.gif[/smiley]

Quote from: TheLawjumping from table to table is preferred

...or making a lot of dozens on your own (a la Gizmotron).

HI LAW,

I TRY TO BET THE MATRIX STYLE
WHEN THE 'FIRST WIN' STRIKE, DO NOT BET THE REST.
WAIT FOR NEW LINE. TO START BET,...

222      (first line charted)
321      w-_     
213      w--
122      w--
221      w--   
333      w--
312      Lw-
312      LLL 3LOSSES=NO BET
321     L W- WIN=TRIGGER
332      LW-     
131      w-- 
321      w--
332      LW-   
321      LW-
323      LLW   
212      W-- 
122     W--
221     W--
123     W-- 
323     W-- 
111      W--
331     W--
221     W--
132     W--
222     W--
221    LLW   
121     W--
113    LW
132     LW-
131     LLW
222     W--
113    W--
312    W--
321     LW-
133    W--
233     W-- 
331     W--
332      LLW   
222    W--
111     W--
131      LW-
322      W--
313      LW- 
222     W--
233      LW-   
223      LW- 
221      LLW
213      LW-     
133      W--
213     W--
121     W--
323      W--
331      LW-   
133      W--     
133      LLL     3LOSSES NO BET
332      W--  TRIGGER
313      LW-   
212      W--   
332     W--
121    W-

55WIN 30LOSSES

  A GOOD PROGRESSION WILL WIN A BUNDLE...
THANKS...

xxxxxxxxxxx

Hi everyone,
wait for three different dozen to hit as trigger...
bet the trio won't repeated exactly...

3
2
1 =trigger [three different dz]
2 win
1 win
3  win

321 =trigger
213  =w,w,win...

losing bet =
123=trigger
123=l,l,lose!!!



2
2
2
3
2
1 trigger
2
1
3 trigger
1
2 trigger
2
2
2
1
3 trigger
3
3
3
1
2    trigger
3 trigger
1 trigger
2 trigger
3 trigger
2
1  trigger
3
3
2
1 trigger
3 trigger
1
3
2 trigger
1 trigger
3 trigger
3
2   
3
2
1 trigger
3 trigger
2 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
2
1
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
3      trigger
3
2
3
1 trigger
1
1
3
3
1
2 trigger
2
1
1
3
2  trigger
2
2
2
2
2
1 
1
2
1
1
1
3
1
3
2 trigger
1 trigger
3 trigger
1
2 trigger
2
2
1
1
3       
3
1
2 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
1
3
3
2
3
3
3
3
1
3
3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1
1
3
1
3
2 trigger
2
3
1 trigger
3
2 trigger
2
2
2
3
3   
2
2
3
2
2
1
2
1
3 trigger
1
3
3
2
1 trigger
3
1
2 trigger
1       
3 trigger
2 trigger
3
3
3
1
1
3
3
1
3
3
3
3
2
3
1 trigger
3     
2 trigger
1 trigger
2
3 trigger
3
2
1 trigger
2
1     

let say l=lose, w=win
how to labby [HP.Johnson]the wl below
-----------
l.l.l.wwwwww
---------------------------

bet1/1=-2
l
l
l  lose of [l].l.l.wwwwww
----------------------------
bet 1/1=-2=-4
l
ll
ll lose of [l].[l].l.wwwwww
------------
  bet 1/1=-2=-6

l   
lll
lll lose of [l].[l].[l].wwwwww
---------------
bet 1/1=+1=-5

l 
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w]wwwww
-----------
bet 4/4=+4=-1
llll 
llll    win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w]wwww
============
bet 4/4=+4=+3

llll

win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w][w]www
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

how about llwlwlwlwww

bet 1/1=lose=-2
l
l
l
=lose=-2 [l]lwlwlwlwww
----------------
bet 1/1=-2=lose
l
ll
ll
lose=-2=-4, [l][l]wlwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=+2
ll
ll
lll
win=+2=-2, [l][l][w]lwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=lose-4
ll
lll
lose=-4=-6, [l][l][w][l]wlwlwww
------------------------
bet 4/4=+4win
llll
lllll

win=+4=-2, [l][l][w][l][w]lwlwww
---------------
bet 5/5=-10lose
lllll
lose=-10=-12,[l][l][w][l][w][l]wlwww
--------------
bet 15/15=win=+15

lllll,llllllllll
win=15=+3net  ,[l][l][w][l][w][l][w]lwww
this is very dangerous as Mr Marthy kicks in when losing streaks!!!

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 10, 2014, 04:00:34 PM
let say l=lose, w=win
how to labby [HP.Johnson]the wl below
-----------
l.l.l.wwwwww
---------------------------

bet1/1=-2
l
l
l  lose of [l].l.l.wwwwww
----------------------------
bet 1/1=-2=-4
l
ll
ll lose of [l].[l].l.wwwwww
------------
  bet 1/1=-2=-6

l   
lll
lll lose of [l].[l].[l].wwwwww
---------------
bet 1/1=+1=-5

l 
llll
llll win of [l].[l].[l].[w]wwwww
-----------
bet 4/4=+4=-1
llll 
llll    win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w]wwww
============
bet 4/4=+4=+3

llll

win of [l].[l].[l].[w][w][w]www
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

how about llwlwlwlwww

bet 1/1=lose=-2
l
l
l
=lose=-2 [l]lwlwlwlwww
----------------
bet 1/1=-2=lose
l
ll
ll
lose=-2=-4, [l][l]wlwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=+2
ll
ll
lll
win=+2=-2, [l][l][w]lwlwlwww
------------------------
bet 2/2=lose-4
ll
lll
lose=-4=-6, [l][l][w][l]wlwlwww
------------------------
bet 4/4=+4win
llll
lllll

win=+4=-2, [l][l][w][l][w]lwlwww
---------------
bet 5/5=-10lose
lllll
lose=-10=-12,[l][l][w][l][w][l]wlwww
--------------
bet 15/15=win=+15

lllll,llllllllll
win=15=+3net  ,[l][l][w][l][w][l][w]lwww
this is very dangerous as Mr Marthy kicks in when losing streaks!!!

Few ways that you can handle this :


-first, you can just add lines if the bets get too high (proper Bankroll needed of course = $300-$500 for $1 units)-As I said in my first post, I usually add a line early on when a bet gets past 3x2dozens for safety. Bankroll is meant to tolerate 10 losses in a row, or any variable of losses.


-second, you could look for a more conservative trigger (like waiting for  2 or 3 losses to begin progression-many ways this can be modified)


-third, try the Supa Dupa Streets bet to create a more (claimed) random distributaion


-fourth, increase Bankroll to suit your comfort level


Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session

QUOTE:[Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session]

SINCE u have faith there many wins, [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]long term, then this progression is better,  methink...[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]

llwlwlwlwww

monte carlo=1234678... so on till positive

1l=-2=-2
2l=-4=-6
3w=+3=-3
4l=-8=-11
5w=+5=-6
6l=-12=-18
7w=+7=-11
8l=-16=-27
9w=+9=-18
10w=+10=-8
11w=+11=+3

methink, this less suicidal, but of course, there are many better progressions out there.
Anyone kind enough  to show??[smiley]aes/vicious.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]?

Your bet selection is good as it avoid suffering long losing streaks, but the your labby/HP progression very dangerous as it will deplete yr bankroll very fast!!![smiley]aes/vampire.png[/smiley]
With good progression, you will win long term, methink...[smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]

Thanks!

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 05:46:16 AM
QUOTE:[Finally, if you play long enough, eventually the math will always catch up with you. The goal is to profit long term, not win every game or session]

SINCE u have faith there many wins, [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]long term, then this progression is better,  methink...[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]

llwlwlwlwww

monte carlo=1234678... so on till positive

1l=-2=-2
2l=-4=-6
3w=+3=-3
4l=-8=-11
5w=+5=-6
6l=-12=-18
7w=+7=-11
8l=-16=-27
9w=+9=-18
10w=+10=-8
11w=+11=+3

methink, this less suicidal, but of course, there are many better progressions out there.
Anyone kind enough  to show??[smiley]aes/vicious.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]?

Your bet selection is good as it avoid suffering long losing streaks, but the your labby/HP progression very dangerous as it will deplete yr bankroll very fast!!![smiley]aes/vampire.png[/smiley]
With good progression, you will win long term, methink...[smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]

Thanks!

Hey Beat,

After testing this progression early on, I discovered that you quickly reach a point of no return where you need 3 then 4 then 5 wins etc to get even.

I'm sure there is a safer progression out there for this system, but I have yet to see it. There may even be a good version of Marti for this (most losses I've witnessed is 4)

(most losses I've witnessed is 4)

Hi Law,
Then wait for 2 or 3 losses streaks, as 'trigger', then bet the loss streak will not over 4. with your labby or hp, or marthy, but of course place a stop-loss!!!
Only 'trigger play' may overcome the "edge", and 'long losing streaks'.
Waiting for trigger may boring, but hey!, we not rushing to lose money..

Please make a test, and share the result...
thanks....

http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/the-whittacker-progression-for-dozen-and-column-bets/

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
(most losses I've witnessed is 4)

Hi Law,
Then wait for 2 or 3 losses streaks, as 'trigger', then bet the loss streak will not over 4. with your labby or hp, or marthy, but of course place a stop-loss!!!
Only 'trigger play' may overcome the "edge", and 'long losing streaks'.
Waiting for trigger may boring, but hey!, we not rushing to lose money..

Please make a test, and share the result...
thanks....

Hey,


Not enough betting opportunities for my taste, but yes you could easily use a 3 or 4 loss streak as trigger. You would probably be looking at 2-3 bets per hour average (using both dozens and columns)

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 11, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/the-whittacker-progression-for-dozen-and-column-bets/

This system appears to be for single dozen play.

Quote from: TheLaw on July 11, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Hey,


Not enough betting opportunities for my taste, but yes you could easily use a 3 or 4 loss streak as trigger. You would probably be looking at 2-3 bets per hour average (using both dozens and columns)

Law,[smiley]aes/joking.png[/smiley]
many people can't even win EVEN ONE UNIT PERDAY! !![smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]

IF  a system can win 1unit/day/365, and that unit=100, or 1000 dollar, what are we complaining about???[smiley]aes/love.png[/smiley]

We are looking for a slow but surely, not xciting but sorely ...!!! [smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley]
Please make a test and share how its going...
THANKS.[smiley]aes/kiss.png[/smiley]