Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 24, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
JL,  here is a quick snapshot of October/November results:   
280 Games Played.
Lost 11 total games and 9 were due to zero(s). Lost 1 on  H/L and 1 of E/O.  I have had a good run over the past 60 days with PB.  So the zero's usually get to me before anything esle. *LOL*  I never play when the last pattern is HHH, LLL, OOO oe EEE and I never play R/B.  Had I played R/B, I certainly would have more losses.   The  amount of my opening bet is also based on the number of spins it took to get to the trigger.  For example, if the last pattern to form falls between 40 and 50 spins, my opening bet is much more aggressive, which is not often.   If I breach the 80 spin count, I start over.  Also, if I get a pattern that has formed 3 times in under 45 spins (doesn't happen often for me)  I will bet against it forming a 4th time.  Those are just a few observations that have worked for me that I can share.  I will pull the results for the past 6 months so you can a better picture of the stats.  If you stay in the "moment" or in the "now" so-to-speak, when you are playing this game and really observe everything that is going on and not just focus in on the one trigger you are waiting to occur, the game offers a lot of opportuity to challenge randomness on many different levels, but you just have to be in the moment, open your mind and be aware of everything going on!

we have an experiment going on here and in the 4 unit bet we also cover green zero....do you not cover it?

Quote from: subby on November 24, 2012, 02:23:47 PM
we have an experiment going on here and in the 4 unit bet we also cover green zero....do you not cover it?

I never cover the zero's on any of the methods I play.

Pb how it works or not, I do not want to take up here, but I use to win that small faster. Using a bet real and not wait for 60 spins.
I can not image how it will make any profit, may be profit but according to what I have seen it takes very long time. Even if it gives a plus how much?  My personal view is it will not working, but I have not tested it deep at all I have not even  done any test. I think waiting, and waiting for a "trigger" is good in that sense you do not risk any at most of the spins.  I test some of this kind of  methods, and they may work or not.  If you got the numbers which suit it, that's depend of if you are lucky to get it. I do not think there are any sure ways, you got to have some luck. There are better or worse ways, so using a method  that's to do. How can any like to spend a month to get a few, is such method ever useful?

Quote from: Ralph on November 24, 2012, 02:37:01 PM
Pb how it works or not, I do not want to take up here, but I use to win that small faster. Using a bet real and not wait for 60 spins.
I can not image how it will make any profit, may be profit but according to what I have seen it takes very long time. Even if it gives a plus how much?  My personal view is it will not working, but I have not tested it deep at all I have not even  done any test. I think waiting, and waiting for a "trigger" is good in that sense you do not risk any at most of the spins.  I test some of this kind of  methods, and they may work or not.  If you got the numbers which suit it, that's depend of if you are lucky to get it. I do not think there are any sure ways, you got to have some luck. There are better or worse ways, so using a method  that's to do. How can any like to spend a month to get a few, is such method ever useful?

With a win loss ratio of 10:1 roughly...you grind out 2 and 3 units a week. The grind is the key, grind out 10 units a month playing safe and when those units are worth £20 each then you don't have to worry about slow play.

Quote from: subby on November 24, 2012, 02:46:13 PM
The grind is the key, grind out 10 units a month playing safe and when those units are worth £20 each then you don't have to worry about slow play.

I would completely agree with Subby ... and it doesn't make me right by the way.  I can only share that when I first started playing these methods (and I have 5
unit min table here)  my goal to start was 5 units a day.
Since that initial goal, I have grown my BR which allowed me to start with 10 units over the past several months.  I was just telling JL that I just reached a point
where I now start with 15 units.
Patience, patience, patience ... is so very important and it's worth every unit.  I see lack of control over emotion, lack of confidence and lack of patience get the
best from almost every play I observe on a daily basis.    Again, this isn't for everyone and it doesn't mean I am right.  I am just sharing my observations on what I
see working today.   

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 24, 2012, 02:16:51 PM
Great stuff Chauncy47, red black are definately not as strong as the other two.


I realized this a long time ago. And yes betting against 3 of a kind the weakest of all the 8 patterns.


Chauncy47 the moderator Esoito has suggeested we space our posts out like I have done here.


It makes for easier reading. Great to have you onboard.

Will do on spacing   Good to connect with you here JL

Quote from: subby on November 23, 2012, 08:41:13 PM
4th rule in Speramus and you're doing it in real life...tut tut lol. Honestly red black DO give out worse losses than the other 2 methods. Bizarre but true for me anyway.

Yep you are right subby. I had to learn the hard way. I think i was running at 5.33/1 for Red/Black 
We will see how it goes now.

Nice to see you here Chauncy47.
When you have time could you tell us about your tweaked version of CODE 4 ?
Looking forward to your results.

Quote from: shogun on November 24, 2012, 03:08:21 PM
Nice to see you here Chauncy47.
When you have time could you tell us about your tweaked version of CODE 4 ?
Looking forward to your results.

I will definitely do that but I am off to casino for the day.  Keep a good thought everyone 

Quote from: shogun on November 24, 2012, 03:04:50 PM

Yep you are right subby. I had to learn the hard way. I think i was running at 5.33/1 for Red/Black 
We will see how it goes now.

That's not good Shogun. But even if the strikerate was 5/1. I could make a profit with PB. And you all have to know on occasion, It could drop that low.


But H.A.R is a strange thing. Yes it can lose close together like continuos play. And it WILL.

But when it catches one of those 15 plus streaks. You understand its value. Im currently on a streak of 17 LIVE.

Before that I had two close losses.


Here is the last 50 odd games LIVE I've played, as an example of what H.A.R can deliver


5 WON 1 LOST. 4 WON 1 LOST. 9 WON 1 LOST. 13 WON 1 LOST. 3 WON 1 LOST. 2 WON 1 LOST. 17 WON---CURRENT.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 24, 2012, 03:30:40 PM
That's not good Shogun. But even if the strikerate was 5/1. I could make a profit with PB. And you all have to know on occasion, It could drop that low.


But H.A.R is a strange thing. Yes it can lose close together like continuos play. And it WILL.

But when it catches one of those 15 plus streaks. You understand its value. Im currently onb streak of 17 LIVE.

Before that I had two close losses.


Here is the last 50 odd games LIVE I've played, as an example of what H.A.R can deliver


5 WON 1 LOST. 4 WON 1 LOST. 9 WON 1 LOST. 13 WON 1 LOST. 3 WON 1 LOST. 17 WON---CURRENT.

Hi John, that strike rate was for red and black only. Overall it was over 9/1. If i had not played black or red i think it would have been 13-14/1.
Still very happy so far and sticking to HAR.

Quote from: shogun on November 24, 2012, 03:39:50 PM




Hi John, that strike rate was for red and black only. Overall it was over 9/1. If i had not played black or red i think it would have been 13-14/1.
Still very happy so far and sticking to HAR.

Yes Shogun. You could hold 10--1 to 14--1 quite easily with PB. Anyone who plays it for over a 1000 games is going to see what its all about.

I've talked alot about PATIENCE over the last couple of years. But do you know what's just as important as PATIENCE?? STAYING POWER.

Being able to stay with a method during its not so glorious times. Knowing that longterm its going to deliver. Forums are loaded with system hoppers. People who as soon as they arent winning , winning, winning.

Abandon a very good method and move on. These kind of players ultimately get nowhere worth being in the long run. that's why you have to have that staying power to stick it out.

Its always the LONGTERM.

Heres something I want to put to you guys. One thing I agree with in what the detrators of H.A.R say is this.

You never know WHEN you enter the cycle IF it's a good or bad time. I've never had any argument with that.

What I have basically been trying to put across for nearly two years is THIS. No we don't know what randoms going to show us when we enter the cycle at random points.

But when its GOOD its going to surpass anything CONTINOUS PLAY will deliver. Its harder to gauge this on 7/1 odds such as PB works with.

But when you go bigtime 242/1 for example. As in the case of 8 ON 1. You start to realize H.A.Rs true significance. Landing on that loss is so much harder than travelling to meet it.

8 ON 1 played H.A.R could go years without losing. I can see someone starting to play it in 2012. And reporting a loss 3 years and several thousand wins later.

That's something you would never EVER be able to report. If you sat there and played a 1000 straight games.

JL,

This has probably been asked and answered before but I can't find it.

When you have a double loss do you take it on the chin or up the stakes betting against a treble loss?

Trebor.

Quote from: Trebor on November 24, 2012, 04:18:58 PM
JL,

This has probably been asked and answered before but I can't find it.

When you have a double loss do you take it on the chin or up the stakes betting against a treble loss?

Trebor.

I would bet to recover a portion of the loss on the third even chance. This is why I track all three live.

Even though I only play HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN.. Lets say red black were to qualify before the other two and lost.

My confidence would now be very high that I am going to win one of the remaining two. And I would stake higher than normal.

I just lost a game on BV with odd even. And immediately recovered two sevenths of the loss on HIGH LOW. Im waiting for prime times to raise and lower stakes. This will make all the difference, even IF I get a low strikerate.

And if I get that nice 15 plus streak at some point. I am going to profit even more. 

Quote from: Ralph on November 24, 2012, 02:37:01 PM
Pb how it works or not, I do not want to take up here, but I use to win that small faster. Using a bet real and not wait for 60 spins.
I can not image how it will make any profit, may be profit but according to what I have seen it takes very long time. Even if it gives a plus how much?  My personal view is it will not working, but I have not tested it deep at all I have not even  done any test. I think waiting, and waiting for a "trigger" is good in that sense you do not risk any at most of the spins.  I test some of this kind of  methods, and they may work or not.  If you got the numbers which suit it, that's depend of if you are lucky to get it. I do not think there are any sure ways, you got to have some luck. There are better or worse ways, so using a method  that's to do. How can any like to spend a month to get a few, is such method ever useful?

Ralph, you know the only reason in my opinion that this game is thought of as unbeatable longterm by the masses. Is humans inherent lack of PATIENCE and STAYING POWER.

You just gave the EXACT reason the majority will never know any different. This works longterm because of the discipline to wait for random to create your bet for you. Instead of Going straight to the table and betting on say red or whatever gives you a quick fix. But when it goes wrong you lose it all.

I can't tell you how many times I saw the fool who thought for example random couldnt show him 12 reds or blacks 12 odds or evens, A dozen sleep for 20 spins. Or a dozen get hit 8 times in a row.That gambler that waits for 3 or 4 reds. Then starts his martingale.

He wins again and again and again. Maybe a 100--200 times in a row. Then it happens staring him in the face is 13--14--15-16 or more of his nightmare. it's a stiff drink at the bar time. The total wipeout came saw and conquered.

Why I wait Ralph is simple. IT WORKS. I will happily take a consistent 10/1 month in month out over quick wins and then a total wipeout. In my experience you have to WAIT TO WIN.

All three of the methods that have given me the best results I have yet seen have one thing in common. They WAIT for RANDOM. And there's something re-assuring about doing so. It would appear to me to be the true key to beating this game.

And the reason the 1% will win. While the 99% scratch their head and leave the casino with a face like a pug dog chewing a hornets nest.