Quote from: alrelax on March 06, 2018, 06:28:48 PM

I am curious sir, is 'your' or the 'PATTERN BREAKER' something you are selling or represent?

Or is it what you laid out in your first post here on Page 1, basically the 8th pattern, etc., etc., and you gave away the entire system and no one else can capitalize on it??  Or, was that an incomplete 'teaser' and there is more for sale??  Etc.?

I am lost, but hey, that's me.

I do not play roulette and never will.  I am curious as you write on the board here.  It is unclear or at least not easily identifiable as to what "PATTERN BREAKER" is. 

I hope you are not offended. 

Thank you.

And i don't believe i was disrespectful or anything similar in my posting??

And you came on your thread and could not offer the professionalism of an answer???

I figured so. 

The problem with the test result is that they are false positiv.

For example you have more winnings then losing selections - so when you use hit and run you are more certain to hit a winning bet then a losing bet - let me illustrate this - assume you have 15 winning selections and one losing selection for the next eight hours - then you decide to jump on board with this particular live wheel online to play pattern breaker - then the probability is on your side that you will hit one of does 15 winning strikes with your first Banker bet - the true odds is 15 to 1 with this situation.

Another day you might have 25 winning selections and one losing selections - then the true odds is 25 to 1 using hit and run.
But other days the odds might be worse with 8 winning selections and 2 losing selections - but still pretty good chance hitting a winning strike among does results using hit and run.

So the probability and the true odds come in cycles and are not static as Coder Joes Test Results.

So when coder joe code the pattern breaker he make it continues flow where there is no beginning or end of the results.
Each day a gambler enter the table he does not know what the wheel has done or will do in the future.
But coder joes test show us that you get sometimes several winning strikes that increase the probability hitting one winning bet once using hit and run as does are more then the losing selections.

This might be the reason why the Banker Bet Works - where you bet higher units size with the first bet and lower you unit size into the second bet operating with casino money - for example 5 10 20 and after that 113 ...

Cheers

Quote from: alrelax on March 07, 2018, 06:56:03 AM
And i don't believe i was disrespectful or anything similar in my posting??

And you came on your thread and could not offer the professionalism of an answer???

I figured so.

Apologies if you think I ignored you. Nothing to sell. It only requires your PATIENCE. A quality few possess. Can you stay with this for 1000 🛑REAL GAMES🛑 TO SEE ITS VALUE.

that's what you have to bring. And those who can start to realize the games beatable. There just arent enough PATIENT people pkaying it. Which perpetuates the myth that its not.

As in any table game, but I believe Baccarat and Roulette more so than anything else.

Find and identify the winning hands/results that are produced by the table.

Be knowledgeable of those, as I have extensively written about.  (in Baccarat)

Small groups of produced hands that the player can identify as they happen, is the total key with reality and admission by the player--that a continual play will only grind themselves down and they cannot literally with unlimited play, 'beat-the-casino' as so many think.

Change your wagering protocol from the guessing you have done most of the time as well as developing a money management system that will allow you to use the win money when you win to keep playing to see how much more you can win or that is the stop play point.

Be in reality.

Risk only a limited buy-in and never re buy-in repeatedly thinking you can get whole.

(I have written about it but I believe most people still believe in the mechanical wagering system that will allow them to gamble unlimited hours and get rich). 

IMO and experience. 

May I chip in my half cent,

CoderJoe is right, JL is right too, they just on different parrarel time plane.

When Coderjoe simulate 20k test, it continuously,  the 24 hours casino  table also continuously,

So assume Coderjoe simulation computer need 24hours, to work through the 20k test,
and he start the test at 6am, after he start the test,
he brushes his teeth and take a bath, after dressing up, he take a look at this simulation,
he notice the tens of win, a few losses, and the current bet produces a win...
Then after breakfast, have a look again,
"Ahh, the current a hit, and the tens of win and few losses in between. .",he murmured.
Hours later, take a look again,
After lunch,  have a look again,
At 2pm, take a look again,
After evening tea, look again,
After dinner, look again,
After an hour, look again,
in short, he peeks every hourly through the 24hours period.
What he found when he sneak in and  peek?
The result when he peeked show win, and only once show loss!

Nothing wrong with the simulation test, it right throughout,
But Coderjoe didn't look at the screen for 24hours continuously!
If he did, then , he  looked at losing bets.

He only peeks, intervaly, hourly.

Now in  the casino 24hour table, the wheel spins continuosly 24hours,
JL walk in , every few day interval, and win more than he lose,
if he sit at and bet continuosly 24/7/365, well, he loses his underwear,  before new year eves!


The real math equation, should be...
What the %, of win/lose,
when JL, sit in and start to bet ONCE, at that particular moment of the day?=1/7

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 07, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
May I chip in my half cent,

CoderJoe is right, JL is right too, they just on different parrarel time plane.

When Coderjoe simulate 20k test, it continuously,  the 24 hours casino  table also continuously,

So assume Coderjoe simulation computer need 24hours, to work through the 20k test,
and he start the test at 6am, after he start the test,
he brushes his teeth and take a bath, after dressing up, he take a look at this simulation,
he notice the tens of win, a few losses, and the current bet produces a win...
Then after breakfast, have a look again,
"Ahh, the current a hit, and the tens of win and few losses in between. .",he murmured.
Hours later, take a look again,
After lunch,  have a look again,
At 2pm, take a look again,
After evening tea, look again,
After dinner, look again,
After an hour, look again,
in short, he peeks every hourly through the 24hours period.
What he found when he sneak in and  peek?
The result when he peeked show win, and only once show loss!

Nothing wrong with the simulation test, it right throughout,
But Coderjoe didn't look at the screen for 24hours continuously!
If he did, then , he  looked at losing bets.

He only peeks, intervaly, hourly.

Now in  the casino 24hour table, the wheel spins continuosly 24hours,
JL walk in , every few day interval, and win more than he lose,
if he sit at and bet continuosly 24/7/365, well, he loses his underwear,  before new year eves!


The real math equation, should be...
What the %, of win/lose,
when JL, sit in and start to bet ONCE, at that particular moment of the day?=1/7

Yes I can agree with this. The system played in conjunction with limited selections. What most term HIT & RUN. Is what makes it a success.

Jumping in and out of variances minefield. Will be enough to weather the storm. Or so it has proven. And ensure you end a 100 GAME CYCLE. IN THE BLACK. NOT IN THE RED. No pun intended.

What someone who is self absorbed in all the negatives can't understand or refuse to. Is all the elements that make the game appear unbeatable in the long run. Only apply when you play CONTINUOUSLY.

I have absolutely no argument. That if you sat there and played PB all day. You will lose. Absolutely you will.

But when applied to a select number of games. It becomes a totally different ball game literally.

Then you also learn how to PROFIT FROM LOSSES. That's right. Most of you fear losing. That's why you never play this game for REAL. You will test, evaluate. Summarize your lives away.

Without ever putting the real stuff on the line. For fear of LOSING. The beauty of having stuck with this system for 11 years. Is I know it inside out. I know its behaviour like clockwork.

And the fact that is loses around 7--10 times every 100 games. Can be utilized to the players advantage. One thing that's special about PB is BACK TO BACK losses don't happen very often.

You will get a double loss on average once every 30 to 40 LOSSES. You see right there I've just given you a system WITHIN A SYSTEM. That will make you PROFIT FOR ALLTIME.

And that's why EVEN if I have a poor 100 game set. Where I only win 12 UNITS from the straight games themselves. I've actually won at least 24. Because the game immediately after a loss. I will double up. And the strikerate for that is 38--1 at present.

You see LOSING can actually turn into WINNING. If you have something with that kind of consistency. And you only get this confidence. By sticking with the system long enough to learn what works and what doesn't...

Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 07:43:56 AM
For example you have more winnings then losing selections - so when you use hit and run you are more certain to hit a winning bet then a losing bet - let me illustrate this - assume you have 15 winning selections and one losing selection for the next eight hours - then you decide to jump on board with this particular live wheel online to play pattern breaker - then the probability is on your side that you will hit one of does 15 winning strikes with your first Banker bet - the true odds is 15 to 1 with this situation.

Why are you more likely to hit a winning bet if you hit and run? Sure there are winning and losing sequences, that's just variance but you can't know in advance when the bad sequences will arrive. Playing a few games at a time doesn't change this, how could it?

QuoteSo when coder joe code the pattern breaker he make it continues flow where there is no beginning or end of the results.

I said it isn't a continuous flow. I coded it as 5 games at a time and then skip100-150 spins. And anyway my tests show it makes no difference. Are you really suggesting that the difference between a win-rate of 10-1 and 7-1 is down to hit and run? And if that was true why would you need to play pattern breaker? A simpler system which didn't require any waiting would do just as well if hit and run was the key to success!

Well you missunderstand me - lets assume you have 15 winning strikes and 1 losing strike and use hit and run - are you chance better to hit a winning sequence or is your chance better hitting a losing sequence?
I understand this is variance and i also understand that the results even out towards 1 in 8 in the long run.

But with simple observation of your results with your coding you can see that several winning strikes in a row is more common then losing strikes.
I know we can not know the future.

But when i entering the live wheel i will one day face the odds 1 in 8 where i will get 8 winning strikes and one losing strike - then do i have a greater chance hitting one winning strike versus a losing strike with the odds 1 in 8 - and other day i might have the situation where i will face 25 winning strikes and 1 losing strike - then what is the probability that i will hit one of the 25 winning strikes versus the 1 losing strike.

Then there will be days when there is no variance and i get 1 in 8 and lose one single sequence - how many times does that happen during all does days when you randomly face variance with more winning strikes then losing strikes - there has to be a % or a median value for the strength behind the imblance where you peak is around 50/50 and that is not 1 in 8 when you count varaince and fluctation into the game in the short term.

I show the measuring model for this and i have never with all my testing and observation seen any true odds become a reality when you  count varaiance and fluctation into the calculation for the strike ratio for the imbalnce part.

The closest explination i can get to this that is similar is the following and i quote a member from other forum with the name Mike:

There is something called Maximum Likelihood Estimation (MLE) which finds the most likely probability based on the data. In that case you take the "current" probability to be the actual probability, and you can update it as you get more data.

Cheers

I still don't see how that improve the odds. And John doesn't do any of that, he just plays a few games at a time and miraculously it results in 10-1 instead of 7-1. I code the simulation the same way but somehow that's unacceptable and the results are deemed invalid. 

Quote from: CoderJoe on March 07, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
Why are you more likely to hit a winning bet if you hit and run? Sure there are winning and losing sequences, that's just variance but you can't know in advance when the bad sequences will arrive. Playing a few games at a time doesn't change this, how could it?

I said it isn't a continuous flow. I coded it as 5 games at a time and then skip100-150 spins. And anyway my tests show it makes no difference. Are you really suggesting that the difference between a win-rate of 10-1 and 7-1 is down to hit and run? And if that was true why would you need to play pattern breaker? A simpler system which didn't require any waiting would do just as well if hit and run was the key to success!

It comes down to random entry into the cycle. Sure there's an element of luck here. I've experimented in the past. I've taken a winning game and started it JUST ONE SPIN EARLIER. And it LOST.

That's the beauty of random entry. At the same time you HAVE TO BE WORKING within that 100 game frame..This is why too many people never REALLY know if a system works or not. They will play a handful of games. Lose too many then dismiss the system as a loser.

As I stated before. If I were such a pessimistic negative person. I would have dropped pattern breaker after the first 25 games. IT LOST 🛑5🛑 Times. Its what happened in the next 75 games that made me realize roulette is INDEED a PERCENTAGE GAME.

And 100 game set after 100 game set. The same thing.

91-9
90-10
92-8
89-11
93-7
89-11
90-10
94-6
93-7
91-9

That was the breakdown of my first 1000 games of PB. And had I been a negative thinker like most people on these forums. I would never have realized its INCREDIBLE CONSISTENCY..And carried on system hopping FOREVER. Developing the negative attitudes all too prevalent on forums like these.

You put the EFFORT IN. You be BOTHERED to play it properly..And not rely on some unrealistic simulator as your yeigh or neigh to even start a system.

Quote from: CoderJoe on March 07, 2018, 05:24:58 PM
I still don't see how that improve the odds. And John doesn't do any of that, he just plays a few games at a time and miraculously it results in 10-1 instead of 7-1. I code the simulation the same way but somehow that's unacceptable and the results are deemed invalid. 

Actually as I write this my strikerate stands at 13.26--1.

PBR has improved EVERYTHING. Using random to beat random so to speak. And the first game of the day is something else now.

My greatest year to date for the first game is 2013. I finished the year 352--13. For this year so far I am 63--3. Its looking very good.

Very nice stats JL - thanks ...

Cheers

Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
Very nice stats JL - thanks ...

Cheers

Thankyou Sputnik. They are to be EXPECTED. If you stick faithfully to the system.LONGTERM.

Hi John L - bit of a ramble, so important bits in red in case you want to skip!
I like the pattern breaker idea and have spent so much time looking at all manner of other options without much success. So I return to it. What I like about it is that it has little to do with predictions and assumptions. It follows the laws of the wheel as far as I can see, neither altering the odds but accepting that within that you have a chance to win. For me a win means a profit. I'd rather have small and regular than rollercoaster rides, but I'm risk averse. I have seen winning systems that seem to work 90pc of the time, but the progression depletes your bankroll. I think the million spins thing is great for stats, but if we want to sit down for a couple of hours and come away with a fuller wallet, it means little. H&R has to be the way. Perhaps we should code for 100 bets instead and have a H&R simulator.
Anyway, all these pondering aside...my question is, if we are pretty much looking at normal odds for events, would this system be likely to work on RNG. I gather it's programmed to mimic the statistical averages of the wheel (in theory) plus a tweak to mimic a bit of dealer bias or whatever, but would you ever or have you ever tried it?
Also, are there some online casinos you'd recommend and what would be the reasons. I think you like Ladbrokes? I have used Betfair because I occasionally do the gee gees.
Respect to you.

The most common and dangerous thing in roulette world and perhaps on gambling in general is the deception, what we use to say as: "phenomena could (are most of the times) deceptive.


When I've created a betting strategy in which waits till there only 2 not shown numbers left, thus bet the remaining 35 numbers only once, they told me that this is a gamblers' fallacy and by betting randomly 35 numbers would have the same end result as by betting 35 shown against 2 non shown numbers.


I've apologised for my fallacious approach and acknowledged the flaw in my betting strategy.
Now why am I posting this here, it's because it seems that the same principle is here but instead of 35 to 2 we have a bet of 18 against 19 numbers...


I know nothing guys, do whatever you think better.
Good luck!