So you walk into the casino and ask pit to code it? What do they usually tell you?

Ken

JL i will test playing PB and try to copy your play/game.
Is there anything i need to change on the list?

1) Start each game with one Banker bet and after that lower you bet size until you quit playing or reach a loss.

I have acconts and money on following online casinos:

a) 5Dimes
b) Sbobet
c) Bet365
d) Unibet
e) William Hill
f) Betfair

How many session do you play each day - early day time - middle day time - late day time ??
And how come you spread all your bankroll into so many online casino - is there a strategic reason for that ??

Cheers

Quote from: Sputnik on March 06, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
JL i will test playing PB and try to copy your play/game.
Is there anything i need to change on the list?

1) Start each game with one Banker bet and after that lower you bet size until you quit playing or reach a loss.

I have acconts and money on following online casinos:

a) 5Dimes
b) Sbobet
c) Bet365
d) Unibet
e) William Hill
f) Betfair

How many session do you play each day - early day time - middle day time - late day time ??
And how come you spread all your bankroll into so many online casino - is there a strategic reason for that ??

Cheers

Hi Sputnik. I play 5 to 10 games per day NEVER MORE.

My first game of the day is played between 3.30am and 6.00am. Then I will have breakfast and play two more games. I will play one to 3 games between 12 to 3pm. And 1 to 3 games between 5 to 8pm.

Still that first game out performs them all.

No simulator will EVER replicate what happens in the real world..Computer nerds who haven't got the patience to even play 100 REAL GAMES. Want to tell me they know what will be. Because a flawed unreliable simulator showed them a graph.

It doesn't work. You have to play REAL GAMES. With a live dealer. At various times throughout the day to mirror my results.

Not test a bunch of spins. Then tell me im telling porkies. Because they didn't match what I claimed to achieve.

The EXACT reason I don't sit there all day like a gormless fool playing incessantly, is because I KNOW I WOULD LOSE.

PBR married together with H&R is invincible. It will be making me money for life. Along with the 2 step version I now play aswell.

Were I to sit there and play 100 games a day. I WOULD LOSE MONEY. I am under no illusions about that.

But you just cannot get this fact into a math obsessed computer geeks head. They don't get this and neverwill.

As Brett Morton said in his great book PLAYING TO WIN. Einstein claimed the only way to win at roulette..was to steal the money when the dealer wasn't looking.

But Einsteins attitude never stopped him from making his living from roulette. And it will never stop me.

You can have TOO MUCH respect for math and all the bunk put forward. To stop you from EVEN TRYING..And the people who fall for that B.S will die believing this game is invincible.

Sad for them. I will play PATTERN BREAKER in all its incarnations for the rest of my life. And leave the blueprint in my will for my children and their children. Should they want to make their own money and way in life. Without having to take orders from anyone. Be their own person. That's what PB affords any who stay with it faithfully.

The reason I use so many accounts Sputnik is simple..I have to stay under the radar as best as I can..Once these bastards realize you have them beat. They will shut you down. They only want losers. Once they know you will ALWAYS be winning money in the longterm. You are enemy number one. That's why I have to rotate my play. Never play at the same casino more than twice a week.

If I had one or two accounts..And im taking 500 to a 1000 off them every week. It won't be long before they stop me. If im taking 25 to 50 off 11 accounts. There will be plenty taking alot note than that. So I won't stand out. Do you get me Sputnik??

Quote from: Mr J on March 05, 2018, 11:07:15 PM
So you walk into the casino and ask pit to code it? What do they usually tell you?

Ken

It doesn't work that way!


@ JL,


Every now and then, in the course of decades, someones like you comes along and reinvents the Martingale...
Almost forgot, Hit And Run it's what really boosts your system!
You may ignore the inconvenient truth but what do I care, you know better!

Quote from: JOHN LEGEND MK2 on March 06, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
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Sad for them. I will play PATTERN BREAKER in all its incarnations for the rest of my life.

I am curious sir, is 'your' or the 'PATTERN BREAKER' something you are selling or represent?

Or is it what you laid out in your first post here on Page 1, basically the 8th pattern, etc., etc., and you gave away the entire system and no one else can capitalize on it??  Or, was that an incomplete 'teaser' and there is more for sale??  Etc.?

I am lost, but hey, that's me.

I do not play roulette and never will.  I am curious as you write on the board here.  It is unclear or at least not easily identifiable as to what "PATTERN BREAKER" is. 

I hope you are not offended. 

Thank you.

Quote from: JOHN LEGEND MK2 on March 06, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
Not test a bunch of spins. Then tell me im telling porkies. Because they didn't match what I claimed to achieve.

John, if you actually read my posts I explicitly denied that you were making up the stats, so I'm wondering why you feel the need to attack by calling me names.

I followed your instructions to the letter when writing the sim.  I used real spins, and skipped 100-150 spins before starting a new set of games.

I think you owe me an apology, but I'm not going to press it. People can make up their own minds, and course before playing any system with real money they should consider whether it makes any sense, and do their own tests.

And by the way, I've been looking at some of your previous threads from several years ago on this and the other forum. You don't exactly have a great track record of winning systems, but you are a great talker.

Quote from: alrelax on March 06, 2018, 06:28:48 PM

I am curious sir, is 'your' or the 'PATTERN BREAKER' something you are selling or represent?

Hi alrelax, he does come across that way doesn't he? But as far as I'm aware he's not selling anything.

Quote from: JOHN LEGEND MK2 on March 06, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
Hi Sputnik. I play 5 to 10 games per day NEVER MORE.

My first game of the day is played between 3.30am and 6.00am. Then I will have breakfast and play two more games. I will play one to 3 games between 12 to 3pm. And 1 to 3 games between 5 to 8pm.

Still that first game out performs them all.

No simulator will EVER replicate what happens in the real world..Computer nerds who haven't got the patience to even play 100 REAL GAMES. Want to tell me they know what will be. Because a flawed unreliable simulator showed them a graph.

It doesn't work. You have to play REAL GAMES. With a live dealer. At various times throughout the day to mirror my results.

Not test a bunch of spins. Then tell me im telling porkies. Because they didn't match what I claimed to achieve.

The EXACT reason I don't sit there all day like a gormless fool playing incessantly, is because I KNOW I WOULD LOSE.

PBR married together with H&R is invincible. It will be making me money for life. Along with the 2 step version I now play aswell.

Were I to sit there and play 100 games a day. I WOULD LOSE MONEY. I am under no illusions about that.

But you just cannot get this fact into a math obsessed computer geeks head. They don't get this and neverwill.

As Brett Morton said in his great book PLAYING TO WIN. Einstein claimed the only way to win at roulette..was to steal the money when the dealer wasn't looking.

But Einsteins attitude never stopped him from making his living from roulette. And it will never stop me.

You can have TOO MUCH respect for math and all the bunk put forward. To stop you from EVEN TRYING..And the people who fall for that B.S will die believing this game is invincible.

Sad for them. I will play PATTERN BREAKER in all its incarnations for the rest of my life. And leave the blueprint in my will for my children and their children. Should they want to make their own money and way in life. Without having to take orders from anyone. Be their own person. That's what PB affords any who stay with it faithfully.

The reason I use so many accounts Sputnik is simple..I have to stay under the radar as best as I can..Once these bastards realize you have them beat. They will shut you down. They only want losers. Once they know you will ALWAYS be winning money in the longterm. You are enemy number one. That's why I have to rotate my play. Never play at the same casino more than twice a week.

If I had one or two accounts..And im taking 500 to a 1000 off them every week. It won't be long before they stop me. If im taking 25 to 50 off 11 accounts. There will be plenty taking alot note than that. So I won't stand out. Do you get me Sputnik??

JL i understand.
I will send you a personal message ...

Cheers

It´s simple. He is trying to peddle horse sh*t as pure gold, and yet it is not even gold (were it true).

Having gone through his "system" I can say it is a bust on the long run. Having built complex systems and platforms with very complex multi-layered probability algos that can analyze any online wheel within minutes after a specific set of spins, the best platforms I have offered my own team over at VRTech can make them 100-300 units a session (60-70 minutes) with a chance of 60% to come through.

The most experienced test pilots are using a bankroll of 100 units and consequently count their profits in the hundreds of percent, while those driving a more careful game with a higher bankroll count a more modest 50-100% RORC (Return On Risk Capital). Do I sell these platforms? No I do not as the test results and Real money sessions by my team return sufficient data to improve them for my own RM games.

Do my team members make money? Sure, those who choose to play for real instead of going for the fun option and mere testing, have made thousands of euros over the past two years. The secret has been, training, practice, discipline (in watching the probability indicators and variance curves the platforms offer them as help during real-time gaming), enjoyment and a good return found in the faith and appreciation of something that consistently produces a profit.

Have they, or I, ever been barred from an online Casino for making too much profit? Never. The myth of Casinos fearing players or gamblers winning sums that pales in comparison to their daily incomes from the greater herd of guaranteed losers is just that, a myth. Usually, this myth is upheld by those who never tried to win big and BIG very often, and on that withdrawing said sums a couple of times each month.

Playing roulette with lower expectations and outcomes than the above mentioned is not a viable way of earning money on this game nor having a certain measure of entertainment while doing it.

Our dear John Legend presents bold claims, and "stats" without solid proof to those who buys his old-fashioned (suicidal) EC based pattern breaker. Roulette has been around since the 18th century. Not a single player, or gambler, has ever been able to consistently win or more correctly produce a continuous profit on EC bets. NOT IN ANY combination, an order of permutations, or sequence stops, or the inverse. Not one. That is why the Casino flourish and gladly have the limits on the EC chances high to extremely high (Monte Carlo Salon Prive).

Those here who know me, know that what I am talking about is true. In the face of Variance, EC betting is ultimately a broke customer, add Martingale to that, and DEAD is just the beginning of this tragic saga of ignorance and make-believe.

There are a lot of "John Legends" out there. Then there are true legends, known by a few, and a reality to even fewer. You want to become one - then abandon the idea that any EC game with a Martingale infusion will make you a consistent winner at the roulette table. It would be like telling a Baccarat player that playing the TIE at certain sequences of appearing banker and player hands is a sure thing.

Quote from: JOHN LEGEND MK2 on March 06, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
But Einsteins attitude never stopped him from making his living from roulette.

This is what i say
One person show a method with the name Ching A Ling method and most people start to say is not working

but some people try the method and report back making 5K and 30K
that is not a joke or something taking easy

the method is not a bust after a losing level and you can continue to recover and make new profits
the person behind the method report one lose of all four level once after several thousand (if i remember it correct) sessions and still up 25/28K
i have to take that serious when members start to stop posting and playing the method full time

Now if you can make 2 year of income using a EC method - then i don't care what people have to say about negativ expectation and house edge
Conclusion is that several members report succés using the method and still people say it could not be done - how stupid is that - i don't care about long term result as i will not live that long
Same situation with PB - several members have report succes and still you have people saying it can not be done

Cheers

that's  from PB topic  on diffrent  forum


That  should not be too negative.
I carried out some tests
I just like to know why something can work, and why not something.
I played 1000 spins with Andre Chass with an idea, i.e. I played against two paterns using 1-1-3 progression.
What I noticed was that for the first 500 spins I was on the plus side of 17 units, then in the course of 100 spins a few losing progressions, the next 300 spins climbing on the plus and the next 100 spins lost again.
I ended the end of the game with +6 units, but the tests were carried out on a wheel without a zero.

What is the theory behind this?
The losses occur in a large extent in clusters, which is why there is a good chance that we will end up in a longer period in which roulette will not adapt to our rare pattern.
An example is CHT which uses rare patern and win periods are longer than losing clusters.
In a way, this would confirm the possibility of hitnrun strategy to avoid variance.

But in a very long time it may not keep up, because sometimes we should hit the clusters periods.


Theory  is that , if we using  hitnrun , for  long  time  we could playing  in favorite situation .
Becose losing periods are shorter than  winning ones.

One more theoretical consideration, once in another forum someone carried out tests that one of the optimal selections is to play.
  We follow 11 streets when only one of the coldest stays, once we play that 11 streets for one time.
Negative progression would be meaningless, but you can use positive to increase the edge.
By sticking hitnrun on wheels live, it could be a whole strategy.

Pattern Breaker has been one of the most talked about system on this forum. It is a martingale with thinking that waiting for a particular stretch of  pattern will make it tougher to be beaten ahead, while it is not the reality. Even if you get 10 reds in a row, 11th is as much likely as it is unlikely. Chances of hitting one or more zeros can not be ruled out too at bad spots that makes it even worse.
          I have simulated of it enough despite a mere simple rational thinking doesn't warrant even any simulation and confirm that not just Pattern Breaker but "any bet selection" in a purely random game does not help by itself. Playing martingale is like fooling yourself and fastest way to lose huge. I do not want to spoil any discussion preaching these things but since my name crept in(through blue angel), I had to answer.

Quote from: TheMagician on March 06, 2018, 07:19:25 PM
It´s simple. He is trying to peddle horse sh*t as pure gold, and yet it is not even gold (were it true).

Having gone through his "system" I can say it is a bust on the long run. Having built complex systems and platforms with very complex multi-layered probability algos that can analyze any online wheel within minutes after a specific set of spins, the best platforms I have offered my own team over at VRTech can make them 100-300 units a session (60-70 minutes) with a chance of 60% to come through.

The most experienced test pilots are using a bankroll of 100 units and consequently count their profits in the hundreds of percent, while those driving a more careful game with a higher bankroll count a more modest 50-100% RORC (Return On Risk Capital). Do I sell these platforms? No I do not as the test results and Real money sessions by my team return sufficient data to improve them for my own RM games.

Do my team members make money? Sure, those who choose to play for real instead of going for the fun option and mere testing, have made thousands of euros over the past two years. The secret has been, training, practice, discipline (in watching the probability indicators and variance curves the platforms offer them as help during real-time gaming), enjoyment and a good return found in the faith and appreciation of something that consistently produces a profit.

Have they, or I, ever been barred from an online Casino for making too much profit? Never. The myth of Casinos fearing players or gamblers winning sums that pales in comparison to their daily incomes from the greater herd of guaranteed losers is just that, a myth. Usually, this myth is upheld by those who never tried to win big and BIG very often, and on that withdrawing said sums a couple of times each month.

Playing roulette with lower expectations and outcomes than the above mentioned is not a viable way of earning money on this game nor having a certain measure of entertainment while doing it.

Our dear John Legend presents bold claims, and "stats" without solid proof to those who buys his old-fashioned (suicidal) EC based pattern breaker. Roulette has been around since the 18th century. Not a single player, or gambler, has ever been able to consistently win or more correctly produce a continuous profit on EC bets. NOT IN ANY combination, an order of permutations, or sequence stops, or the inverse. Not one. That is why the Casino flourish and gladly have the limits on the EC chances high to extremely high (Monte Carlo Salon Prive).

Those here who know me, know that what I am talking about is true. In the face of Variance, EC betting is ultimately a broke customer, add Martingale to that, and DEAD is just the beginning of this tragic saga of ignorance and make-believe.

There are a lot of "John Legends" out there. Then there are true legends, known by a few, and a reality to even fewer. You want to become one - then abandon the idea that any EC game with a Martingale infusion will make you a consistent winner at the roulette table. It would be like telling a Baccarat player that playing the TIE at certain sequences of appearing banker and player hands is a sure thing.

You are mistaken.

Casinos don't flourish because they cannot be beaten. They flourish because the MIND breaks long before a good system like PB. People can't stay with something LONG ENOUGH.There are not ENOUGH people with my mindset playing the game. If there were the gaming industry would be in trouble. When I first started playing PB in 2007 I lost 4 of my first 20 games. FOR MOST. They would have already turned their back on the system after that. SO WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? I won 36 games in a row. And finished my first 100 game set 90--10. If I consistently win an average of 92 times out of 100. With a system that requires 88 wins out of 100 to come in 4 units over break even point. Am I winning or losing? When these online casinos start shutting me down send me your email. And I will show you fear. ONCE it twigs in their greedy brains that they are never getting their money back.

I told you before. And I will tell you again. Roulette is a PERCENTAGE GAME. Nothing more, nothing less. Find a system that can turn a profit consistently over 100 games. And you have the game beaten. In 11 years and over 14,000 games the worst result PB has ever given me is 89--11.

In other words 89 units won. 11 times 7=77 units lost. A net of 12 units. That's my worst result. My best result ever. 94 units won. 6 times 7=42 units lost. A net of 52 units.

And most of the time the split is around 91--9. You see that for 11 years. You know you have something..Nobody can tell me otherwise. The results that unfolded in REAL TIME. Tell me all I ever need to know.