We know martingale can survive maybe 12 losing bets in a row. If we want aggressive play, we need many units. That's is possible if we use low stakes, and go for winning, rather than much money.


The Labby will win if  about  a third of the bets are winnings. Can we change it to a fixed number of winnings. We can if we accept high stakes, but win if we win a fixed times regardless of the losses.


Say we want to win 10 units in 5 winning bets, and we chose a NZ penny wheel.  In 100 spins we can not lose  less than 5 bets or?


We make a line of ten  figures:


1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1


That is a fixed Labby.


Spin one we bet 2 units and lose.


We distribute the losses in the fixed length string.


1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2


We bet 3 units and lose.



1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2


We bet 3 units and lose



1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2


We bet 3 units and lose






2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
3


We bet  5 units and lose



2
2
2
2
3
3
3
3
3
3


We bet 5 units and lose



3
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
4


we bet 7 units and lose



3
3
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4


We bet 7 units and lose



4
4
5
5
5
5
5
4
4
4


We bet 8 units and lose



5
5
5
5
5
5
5
6
6
6


We bet 11 units and we win





5
5
5
5
5
5
6
6


We bet 11 units and lose



6
6
6
7
7
7
7
7


We bet 13 units and lose





8
8
8
8
8
8
9
9


We bet 17 units and win







8
8
8
8
8
9


We bet 17 units and lose





11
11
11
11
11
11


We bet 22 units and lose



  15
  15
  15
  15
  15
  13


We bet  28 units and win.






  15
  15
  15
  15


We bet 30 units and lose







22
22
23
23


No the stakes can go high, but should we just losing?


We bet  45 units and win




22
23


We bet 45 units and lose


44
46


We bet 90 units and lose




88
92


We bet 180 units and win.






How many times we lose does not matter as long we have a bankroll and are able to hit 5 times on an EC.


Do in fun until you know the play, it can as all methods lose, and lose heavy if not five hits will come in a very long run.


The table limit should  not be a problem. 

 

We can come in problem if we do not hit 5 times in a reasonable time. Then we can extend the string to get lower bets, but the compromise is we will need half the amount  of the extention in more hits.


Ex.


100
100


can be


50
50
50
50


In this case we need two hits  instead of one, the effect on the bankroll will probably not change.

Ralph

Thanks a lot for this.  I think I can incorporate it into a system and progression I am currently using.

I will probably be making a JL statement!

Sam

Hey, Ralph!

Is it "win five out of fifty" or "win five out of a hundred"?

Your heading says fifty, but in the post it says 100.

I'm easily confused, Ralph!

Sam

Some person who is good with Excel could make a calculator which would change the numbers from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on.  I can see the numbers upgrading in my mind.

Oh, well, another "Redneck Tracker" coming up!! 

Sam

This one will never win much, and it can take very long time to come out.  Anyhow it is close to always win, if handled right.
It is  for just   win, but only very small money.  It can work well, but you can get sessions lasting days.


I recommend to break as  soon on plus and restart.  The bankroll have to be large, not a problem with 0.05 units.


I think it can  stand for years playing, but not feed us during the time.


We can start the bot running flat until we win or are 147 back before we start, I think  nobody has seen 200 spins with less than 53 of on of the EC.  So the method is more or less just to  "beat the game" which I belive it can on NZ, with very small winnings.


It looks easy to say just winn 5 in 50 or 100, but we know how the game can go so we may need much more. As soon we have to split the string the winning bets must increase, but still 1/3 of the present string.  We can chop it in two sessions as well, but still the winning bets needed will increase. The risk is otherwise it ends as a Martingale.


Opposite to classic Labby, we should start with a longer string like  1111111111111111 and as soon we see profit start all over.

Sam!


It can be played so you just mark one figure like 1. If we win the first, we start again, if lose we change to 2, and bet 2. If win we start using 1. If the losses come we extend the string in betsize we are comfortable with.  It will even in harder run end at last, but that last can take time. Most of the time it will of course go smoother, but the worse counts, as we know they will come. Stop as soon on plus.


It took me two hours to win 5 Euro using 0.05, everyone except one went nice, the bad one took most of the time.

How many units do we need for this?

This is just split martingale and not playable in itself. In 21 trials you won 5 times and still bets reached 180 from 1. What will happen in 5/50? If last win comes late, it is the worst martingale, you can see.

Someone asked about this, so I'm posting to provide CPR to a gasping subject.

Samster

I haven't read that mans post for a long time.  Hope he is welll

I fear he is not.  He was 84.  Things happen to a body at 84.

Exactly how I lost 6 k recently in Tunisia....9 spins 1 un..if plus restart...if minus,next 9 spins
2 un,and so on....but at the end zero/s catches you.

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 04, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
Exactly how I lost 6 k recently in Tunisia....9 spins 1 un..if plus restart...if minus,next 9 spins
2 un,and so on....but at the end zero/s catches you.

One visit and 6K - i have to say you are a real gambler.
That is serious money.

I learn that you divide you money before hitting the casino.
Lets say your master bankroll is 3K.
Then you divide it into 1/3 and take 1K to the casino.

Lets say you will divide the money into 5 session with 200 each.
Then you will have maybe 10% win goal and 40 to 50% loss limit.

If i would lose them all i would still have 500 left to bring home.
And my master bankroll would be 2.5K

But losing 5 session in a row would never happen as most experience gamblers would recognize that everything goes against them during the evening and stop before that.
Like winning two out of three sessions or quit.

So my question to you is how do you handle your money?
How do you divide you master bankroll into smaller sessions?
What kind of win goal and loss limit do you apply?

Cheers

So my question to you is how do you handle your money?--by hand.
How do you divide you master bankroll into smaller sessions?--I don't
What kind of win goal and loss limit do you apply?--None.

Cheers



--I play for joy,entertainment....sometimes win,sometimes lose,but when playing seriously/read larger money/
  then am playing by certain rules and rarely lose.....here couldn't apply my way of play cause conditions didn't
  suit me,therefore am really satisfied how small lose I had.