I just played 9 sessions flat betting and my results are as follows:
Session 1: +5, 49 bets, won 27, lost 22
Session 2: +5, 53 bets, won 29, lost 24
Session 3: +5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 4: +5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 5: +5 29 bets, won 17, lost 12
Session 6: +0 40 bets, won 20, lost 20
Session 7: +5 11 bets, won 8, lost 3
Session 8: +0 32 bets, won 16, lost 16
Session 9: +5 6 bets, won 6, lost 1
This is nothing but red/black, odd/even, high/low. Only one bet per spin. It's not a system, it is experience. It is 'reading random' as Gizmo and Spike talk about. I don't play trends and I don't bet every spin. I look at the past 20 spins and make a decision based what is happening. I do have a few rules I use to keep from going out of control.
The most consecutive losses I endure is 2, 3 the most. I can do this without writing anything down, just simply observing the history board, and reaching in. Many times the stream will be chaos, and I can avoid it, wait it out, or walk to the next table. Its all about practice and really understanding what a typical random sequence looks like. A typical random sequence has many very 'short runs' and just a few longer ones. This is where I play. I play inside a typical pure random stream. Anything other than this such as tons of streaks, or tons of singles I avoid like the plague, it just doesn't work consistently for what I do.
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Thanks for propagating good posts ll l lll ll l lll.
Appreciated.
You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.
Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.
Depends on unit size - +5 could be very profitable
My opinion is that Regression is much better then Flat betting ...
Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 10, 2013, 02:02:40 AM
I just played 9 sessions flat betting and my results are as follows:
Session 1: 5, 49 bets, won 27, lost 22
Session 2: 5, 53 bets, won 29, lost 24
Session 3: 5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 4: 5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 5: 5 29 bets, won 17, lost 12
Session 6: 0 40 bets, won 20, lost 20
Session 7: 5 11 bets, won 8, lost 3
Session 8: 0 32 bets, won 16, lost 16
Session 9: 5 6 bets, won 6, lost 1
This is nothing but red/black, odd/even, high/low. Only one bet per spin. It's not a system, it is experience. It is 'reading random' as Gizmo and Spike talk about. I don't play trends and I don't bet every spin. I look at the past 20 spins and make a decision based what is happening. I do have a few rules I use to keep from going out of control.
The most consecutive losses I endure is 2, 3 the most. I can do this without writing anything down, just simply observing the history board, and reaching in. Many times the stream will be chaos, and I can avoid it, wait it out, or walk to the next table. Its all about practice and really understanding what a typical random sequence looks like. A typical random sequence has many very 'short runs' and just a few longer ones. This is where I play. I play inside a typical pure random stream. Anything other than this such as tons of streaks, or tons of singles I avoid like the plague, it just doesn't work consistently for what I do.
Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is 5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?
Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.
Betting one of the 3 even chances. Yes those first two sessions took around 50 spins each to reach +5, but don't assume I stayed at one table the entire time. If I don't like what I see at one table I don't bet, at times I walk to the next table and play there, its all one session. I'm talking about Vegas here, where there are 6 roulette games going on right next to each other. And if a session takes 50 bets to reach my goal then it was a difficult session for how I am playing. Of course that is not ideal, but like you like to say, when i'm not winning, i'm breaking even, i don't have long losing streaks, ever. I am just scratching the surface here, to the different ways I can exploit a random stream, with time I will improve and these sessions will become consistently shorter. I am nothing but a rookie, but the future is promising.
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Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit !!!
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 10, 2013, 09:04:20 AM
Where do you play, the short runs, the few longer ones, or both?
I think Gizmotron likes both, and Spike says they're both garbage.
What's your view?
I play short runs bc they happen the most, i can antcipate them. I'm not experienced enough yet to consistently exploit the longer runs, but with time, I'm sure I will.
Quote from: Sputnik on March 10, 2013, 10:44:43 AM
My opinion is that Regression is much better then Flat betting ...
If you can consistently win flat betting, then you can bet up to the max table limit every spin.
Quote from: Sputnik on March 10, 2013, 11:20:36 AM
Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is 5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?
Believe it or not, since i've been doing this, my bank is 5 units, or 5 chips. I'm prepared to risk the 5 units, but i've never reached -4 after starting a bad session. If I start -3, i'm very cautious, and tend to come back slowly to even before going into profit. If i'm not winning, i'm usually breaking even. It's usually always a slow grind.
Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 10, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
with time I will improve and these sessions will become consistently shorter.
Maybe, maybe not. You can't know that. Are
you the same guy who uses a bar code for
his name on the VLS forum?
Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Maybe, maybe not. You can't know that. Are
you the same guy who uses a bar code for
his name on the VLS forum?
that's not a 'barcode,' those are series of singles, doubles, and triples. Same name as on VLS. My brief time on VLS was a learning period, still trying to understand the game and the best way to play. I have now found my way, and I can do it consistently in the casino and on Weisban spins with roulette xtreme.
@ II I III II I III
Hi there.
Are you able to say what your play system is?
chris
Quote from: Chrisbis on March 10, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
@ II I III II I III
Hi there.
Are you able to say what your play system is?
chris
Its not a system, it is a reaction to tons of practice along with alot of discipline. Through experience I know how a random stream of spins typically behaves. I know the window of how many singles, doubles and triples typically show themselves within 20 spins and where. When the stream is not behaving in what I tend to expect with my experience, its simple, I don't bet. I wait for conditions to change and I anticipate the change, or I walk to another table.
So you make an experienced guess. Spike will love that, a new phrase.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 10, 2013, 04:22:45 PM
So you make an experienced guess. Spike will love that, a new phrase.
Exactly! I don't know if i'm doing what he does, all i know is what I am doing is working, and everyday I'm trying to make it better.
Thanks II I III II I III, this is the real stuff.
Vegas, 6 tables, goin with the flow.
Spike, could you please describe your style like II I III II I III does, perhaps just a little?
II I III II I III,
Your session is either +5 or -5, then it ends?
After a losing session it might be good to increase to 2 units per bet but still a +5 units or -5 units goal. If you lose this session then a win on 3 units would break even your losses of the first session. Now drop back down to 1 unit betting. If you had lost this then you would have to increase to 6 units to break even in the next session. Sorry to distract, but just some ideas to try and help evolve your playing style : )
Quote from: AMK on March 10, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
II I III II I III,
Your session is either +5 or -5, then it ends
I think that 213² shows that he gets out of difficult sessions with a draw.
Yes, saw that and forgot to include it Giz! thanks
II I III II I III could you give us some visual examples?
_ = bet
H/L hllhlhlhhhhhlhhhhhlhlh
O/E eeeoeoeooeoeeoeoe
R/B bbbrbbbrbrbrbrrrbrbb
+3
@Gizmotron
Hi Mark.
Have you shown 213² your tracker system ? he could learn a thing or too about watching for trends and events
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Well i know pretty much about even money bet and are for sure above average.
I have to say it is amazing if you can aim for plus 5 units with only 5 units and winning consistently ...
As you alredy know we should not be able to get plus 1 unit consistently flat betting and that it would overcome that attempt doing so ...
You can test this very easy, just set a limit to how many attempts you will risk to achive plus 1 unit, then look at the result after some testing.
I did this and add the option to break even.
Rules are simple, if you don't get a direct win you have one loss and are in negative territorium, the begining of the big hole, then you better of win one less, break even.
Now i even was thinking you could go minus 1 as does would cacel each other out with plus 1 and you would have to win two less when you are in the hole.
Test 40 sessions and won 17 and lose 10.
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The only way i find to overcome this issue is to aim for dominance, then you will hit some strike distribution and with regression you can overcome the negative expectation to a certain degree ...
Maybe if you had continue after break even, that more session would end up at plus 1 ...
Well i will continue with this topic and test similiar ideas ...