I just played 9 sessions flat betting and my results are as follows:

Session 1: +5, 49 bets, won 27, lost 22
Session 2: +5, 53 bets, won 29, lost 24
Session 3: +5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 4: +5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 5: +5 29 bets, won 17, lost 12
Session 6: +0 40 bets, won 20, lost 20
Session 7: +5 11 bets, won 8, lost 3
Session 8: +0 32 bets, won 16, lost 16
Session 9: +5 6 bets, won 6, lost 1

This is nothing but red/black, odd/even, high/low.  Only one bet per spin.  It's not a system, it is experience.  It is 'reading random' as Gizmo and Spike talk about.  I don't play trends and I don't bet every spin.  I look at the past 20 spins and make a decision based what is happening.  I do have a few rules I use to keep from going out of control. 
The most consecutive losses I endure is 2, 3 the most.  I can do this without writing anything down, just simply observing the history board, and reaching in. Many times the stream will be chaos, and I can avoid it, wait it out, or walk to the next table.  Its all about practice and really understanding what a typical random sequence looks like.  A typical random sequence has many very 'short runs' and just a few longer ones.  This is where I play.  I play inside a typical pure random stream.  Anything other than this such as tons of streaks, or tons of singles I avoid like the plague, it just doesn't work consistently for what I do. 

 

Thanks for propagating good posts ll l lll ll l lll.

Appreciated.

You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.

Depends on unit size - +5 could be very profitable

 
My opinion is that Regression is much better then Flat betting ...

Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 10, 2013, 02:02:40 AM
I just played 9 sessions flat betting and my results are as follows:

Session 1:  5, 49 bets, won 27, lost 22
Session 2:  5, 53 bets, won 29, lost 24
Session 3:  5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 4:  5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 5:  5 29 bets, won 17, lost 12
Session 6:  0 40 bets, won 20, lost 20
Session 7:  5 11 bets, won 8, lost 3
Session 8:  0 32 bets, won 16, lost 16
Session 9:  5 6 bets, won 6, lost 1

This is nothing but red/black, odd/even, high/low.  Only one bet per spin.  It's not a system, it is experience.  It is 'reading random' as Gizmo and Spike talk about.  I don't play trends and I don't bet every spin.  I look at the past 20 spins and make a decision based what is happening.  I do have a few rules I use to keep from going out of control. 
The most consecutive losses I endure is 2, 3 the most.  I can do this without writing anything down, just simply observing the history board, and reaching in. Many times the stream will be chaos, and I can avoid it, wait it out, or walk to the next table.  Its all about practice and really understanding what a typical random sequence looks like.  A typical random sequence has many very 'short runs' and just a few longer ones.  This is where I play.  I play inside a typical pure random stream.  Anything other than this such as tons of streaks, or tons of singles I avoid like the plague, it just doesn't work consistently for what I do.

Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is  5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
You made 10 units in the first two sessions, betting what,
over 100 times. And not betting every spin. So you were
there for maybe 150 spins, that's about six hours. Do you
consider this a viable way to play? Just curious.

Betting one of the 3 even chances.  Yes those first two sessions took around 50 spins each to reach +5, but don't assume I stayed at one table the entire time.  If I don't like what I see at one table I don't bet, at times I walk to the next table and play there, its all one session.  I'm talking about Vegas here, where there are 6 roulette games going on right next to each other.  And if a session takes 50 bets to reach my goal then it was a difficult session for how I am playing.  Of course that is not ideal, but like you like to say, when i'm not winning, i'm breaking even, i don't have long losing streaks, ever.  I am just scratching the surface here, to the different ways I can exploit a random stream, with time I will improve and these sessions will become consistently shorter.  I am nothing but a rookie, but the future is promising.

 
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Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit !!!

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 10, 2013, 09:04:20 AM

Where do you play, the short runs, the few longer ones, or both?

I think Gizmotron likes both, and Spike says they're both garbage.

What's your view?

I play short runs bc they happen the most, i can antcipate them.  I'm not experienced enough yet to consistently exploit the longer runs, but with time, I'm sure I will.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 10, 2013, 10:44:43 AM

My opinion is that Regression is much better then Flat betting ...

If you can consistently win flat betting, then you can bet up to the max table limit every spin.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 10, 2013, 11:20:36 AM

Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is  5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?

Believe it or not, since i've been doing this, my bank is 5 units, or 5 chips.  I'm prepared to risk the 5 units, but i've never reached -4 after starting a bad session.  If I start -3, i'm very cautious, and tend to come back slowly to even before going into profit.  If i'm not winning, i'm usually breaking even.  It's usually always a slow grind.

Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 10, 2013, 12:12:45 PM


with time I will improve and these sessions will become consistently shorter. 

Maybe, maybe not. You can't know that. Are
you the same guy who uses a bar code for
his name on the VLS forum?

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 03:13:35 PM

Maybe, maybe not. You can't know that. Are
you the same guy who uses a bar code for
his name on the VLS forum?

that's not a 'barcode,' those are series of singles, doubles, and triples.  Same name as on VLS.  My brief time on VLS was a learning period, still trying to understand the game and the best way to play.  I have now found my way, and I can do it consistently in the casino and on Weisban spins with roulette xtreme.

@ II I III II I III

Hi there.
Are you able to say what your play system is?
chris

Quote from: Chrisbis on March 10, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
@ II I III II I III

Hi there.
Are you able to say what your play system is?
chris

Its not a system, it is a reaction to tons of practice along with alot of discipline.  Through experience I know how a random stream of spins typically behaves.  I know the window of how many singles, doubles and triples typically show themselves within 20 spins and where.  When the stream is not behaving in what I tend to expect with my experience, its simple, I don't bet.  I wait for conditions to change and I anticipate the change, or I walk to another table.