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Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2017, 03:14:15 pm »
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  • I just tested yesterday's options, manually played several sessions, and reached new high 166 units, using hitnrun.
    Is it possible for hitnrun to make a difference?


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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #16 on: June 02, 2017, 03:20:55 pm »
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  • I was wondering if you'd run again the same amount of results for both, stop after 1 and stop after 2 losses, would you found the same again??
    It could be coincidental that stopping after 2 instead of 1 loss came out on top.
    You should run simulations again because it doesn't make sense, why is better?

    Parlaying wins is a way to make your wins count more, personally I'd not expect to win only with flat bets a negative expectation game.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 03:33:07 pm »
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  • I also do not know why the results are better.
    I tried after 1 lose and after 3 losses, but only after2 losses works.
    I play RX RNG and after 2 losses and virtual win results ar positive, with hitnrun even more.

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 03:36:42 pm »
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  • Try parlaying too.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 03:47:34 pm »
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  • Is it possible for hitnrun to make a difference?

    Depends on how fast you can run.   :cheer:

    H&R makes no difference.  One person playing 8hrs a day is the same as another playing 4 two hour days.

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 04:05:18 pm »
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  • It would make sense only if we knew what's coming up next.
    Since we don't know this we cannot base a long term win strategy around something such as: when +10 quit session, because random doesn't provide fixed amounts to be won.
    You might lose much more by trying winning your session's +10 units, and/or you could win much more than 10 units from time to time.

    Therefore by playing for fixed amounts, like expecting a paycheck, firstly would prevent you win more and secondly won't save you from the really bad sessions.
    It's only negative in the overall, you should apply an adaptable, flexible strategy which prolongs winnings as much as possible on favorable sessions and circumvents losses as soon as possible on not favorable sessions.

    One such strategy is the plateau(s) concept, originally perceived and applied by Nick the Greek back on 60's.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #21 on: June 02, 2017, 04:37:23 pm »
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  • This is all in theory, all the simulations done on the RX are in fact swept in a moment. In online RNG.
    I treat this as a hobby, do not see the possibility of win in longrun with online casino RNG. Disconnetions and many weird things. Online roulette in reality works like slotmachine not real wheel.

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #22 on: February 12, 2018, 11:31:43 pm »
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  • With a good bet selection this concept can work if we could come up with a way to mix in a positive progression this would be interesting.

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #23 on: February 14, 2018, 12:31:50 am »
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  •  This topic was one of the most interesting in this forum, MIKE's claim in the first post concerned that after three losses we have a delicate edge, playing against such an event, after 3 losses.
    I do not know what it looks like in reality and I was thinking how to bite it.
    If I would have to come to this.
    I would play so I would like to table with la partage rule.
    I would  play only Black, the triger would be 3 times Red, and one time black against the reds series
    If the edge really occurs then I would add 4 step positive progressions , one  step for  one  trigger.
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    But I'm really curious if the edge really exists
    This question is already addressed to MIKE

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #24 on: February 14, 2018, 08:51:37 pm »
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  • I think I have a good bet selection in 600 games played never busted the progression went to 10 ,3 times .
    I'm trying something different with this I'm keeping a flat bet Until the results go to a-4 then I kick in the progression keeping track still on  what the flat bet side is doing and using this progression according the results as soon as the flat be side becomes positive I stop with the progression and go back to flat betting . It's a little hard to explain .

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #25 on: February 17, 2018, 02:05:18 pm »
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  • hi folks,

    it's been a while ... well .. quiete a while.  :)

    do you remember C.E.H with his C.W.B. I'm sure you do. and I don't want to stir old things up again. but as I read this topic I remembered one thing that ol' charly e. hamster once wrote:

    "Now as promised I will help you in that direction. I have no doubt that SOME idiots will take this as an actual bet or some hidden clue.
    THIS IS NOT A BET….BUT A PROPER GUIDE TO WHAT A “Bet Within a Bet” is all about.
    As a pure EXAMPLE ONLY let us take a 50/50 bet like the penultimate which is fairly stable in the results as IF…you where betting it (NOTE IF !)
    Taking the results ( Wins & Losses) as IF you where betting it, you may SEE that for INSTANCE….perhaps after three losses, IF you bet you THEN …..you would win say seven out of every ten.  IF that was a FACT ? You would then have a consistent winner you could use to make a great deal of money…..IF you was a Professional ?
    THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A " BET WITHIN A BET"

    So IF we take Mikes assumption that after 3 losses somehow mr. edge waits around the corner and ADD this statement here, it seems to me, it needs one or two bits more than just wait for 3 losses to start betting.

    cheers  :)
    hans




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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #26 on: March 07, 2018, 02:05:23 pm »
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  • "So IF we take Mikes assumption that after 3 losses somehow mr. edge waits around the corner and ADD this statement here, it seems to me, it needs one or two bits more than just wait for 3 losses to start betting":

    It needs a huge amount more!  It does not work that way in the casino.  People try all the time.

    The people mix reality with fallacy and dreams all while they are in the wrong, 'frame-of-mind'.

    I have literally seen well established, smart, long time players at baccarat lose 6 to 12 hands repeatedly.  True they do not have to wager but their ego-mood-bank roll-past experiences and much more----all comes into play.  On top of it all people do not take very lightly to buying in with $10,000.00 or much more and than losing it.  I watched a female baccarat player last week actually point to the board at midway and verbally cite, "Look it has never went past 4 repeats for both banker and player".  It was at hand 43.  I told her, please understand things change and very seldom does the board hold true the whole shoe, 80 hands.  She wagers table max in 4 spots, which was $8,000.00 for the cut to the players side and 4 more bankers came out.  The time to do what she did was when it was happening in the sections that already prevailed.  But, people look for what they convince themselves are 'solid' and 'great' wagers to make and then bet on them.  That is why the casinos put those boards there, that is why they provide pens and score cards, they want you to do that.  Simple, no?  I have written about it all and many people will not truly understand or believe me, because  they have not been in a real casino or their exposure to a real casino is not very much.

    I truly think it takes longer than 10 years of casino play to even start to understand the casino, the game, and yourself.  But hey--I might be totally wrong!  I don't know. 


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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #27 on: March 07, 2018, 07:31:31 pm »
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  • The "avant dernier" or "before last" or "penultimate" selection is trying to catch chops and streaks and its nemesis are pairs of EC's, EC's occurring in couples.


    Therefore, like any other bet selection, has its weakness and is no better, BUT what if we would separate it in 2 different bets?


    1 bet covers the streaks and the 2nd covers the chops simultaneously.
    What and when is the most important and I'm going to tell you;


    You might wonder why to let you know, just because it's good it doesn't mean that there is no better, so that's why I'm willing to share freely something simply decent, good, because I've the exceptional and I have no need and/or obligation to sell or give away a thing.

    Let's say that you see a change in the dozens, let's say that this change was from 1st to 2nd, this change is the trigger, as a matter of fact every change in dozens/columns is a trigger.
    So in this case you should bet the last dozen/column PLUS the opposite EC, for this example, after 1st and 2nd dozen the opposite EC would be HIGH, therefore 1 unit on 2nd dozen + 1 unit on HIGH.


    Another example with columns, 1st spin 1st column and 2nd spin comes 2nd column, in such case you would bet 1 unit on 2nd column + 1 unit on the opposite EC which is RED.


    I hope it's clear.
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    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #28 on: March 12, 2018, 06:12:36 pm »
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  • hi bleu angel,

    thank you very much for replying.  :)

    You explained your approach perfectly clear. I've  been experimenting with simiilar ideas  for some time. but it never got me anywhere. well, I surely will take the variables you suggested into consideration and see what happens. :)

    cheers
    Hans

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    Re: How to get an edge flat-betting (in THEORY)
    « Reply #29 on: March 12, 2018, 06:35:01 pm »
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  • hi bleu angel,

    thank you very much for replying.  :)

    You explained your approach perfectly clear. I've  been experimenting with simiilar ideas  for some time. but it never got me anywhere. well, I surely will take the variables you suggested into consideration and see what happens. :)

    cheers
    Hans


    Hello Hans, what I've described on my previous post it has been tested flat bet.
    It has ups and downs but the ups are more than the downs, thus it accumulates net profit over the time.
    If you try it the way I described you might find yourself a lot of opportunities to end your session with a profit.  8)
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal