In my view you can pick any two dozen and play the same game ,it will be the same.

Don't take this the wrong way guys.....but we can we keep on topic.

This particular method is not a 'two dozen's method'.

It's either 2 six-lines = 12 numbers.

or

3 quads = 12 numbers.

cheers

But, the numbers are irrelevant, right?

There's no reason those groups will hit at a rate equivalent to a 7% edge (which by the way on a 00 wheel is enormous; claiming such is really something. Is there any data in the book that backs this up?). It's all about the trigger, so it can be logically played with any groups of 12 numbers. It still remains inconceivable in my eyes that this bet selection has any legs at all. Good luck with the tests, though.

Bally

In the book I have, he absolutely does use a progression, so there must be a new edition.

Sam

Quote from: Number Six on November 25, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
But, the numbers are irrelevant, right?

There's no reason those groups will hit at a rate equivalent to a 7% edge.

Here is the thing Number Six,

Let's amuse ourselves for a minute and say Spike actually did have some kind of edge on the E/C's.

So I go to the casino and watch him play and he hits more E/C's right than the guy next to him flipping a coin.

BUT....he doesn't tell me how he does it! (fat chance)

So maybe there is a method to the madness. (but I honestly doubt it in this case....however.....I wouldn't necessarily discount it in all cases) Otherwise we are all just wasting our time and I certainly don't think that.

cheers

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 25, 2013, 03:47:49 PM
Bally

In the book I have, he absolutely does use a progression, so there must be a new edition.

Sam

Sam

He does offer up different strategies for playing his 3Q/A in Chapter 3.

I am just testing it flat because he is claiming an edge.


cheers

This is where it unravels.


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-19 in these 8 games.

A few double losses and wins on the third attempt clustering together will put you in a hole using a progression. It's bad enough flat betting.

So I am done with this one.

A nice try..... no 7% edge flat betting as claimed IMO.

Bally's rating......4/10. (There are a few good anecdotes in the book)

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 25, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
This is where it unravels.


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-19 in these 8 games.

A few double losses and wins on the third attempt clustering together will put you in a hole using a progression. It's bad enough flat betting.

So I am done with this one.

A nice try..... no 7% edge flat betting as claimed IMO.

Bally's rating......4/10. (There are a few good anecdotes in the book)

I think you give up to easy.
-19 in 8 games is your last post, but before that you made 12 session +25 units.
That add up as with any good method there will be bad days and fluctuation.

Sputnik

I have tested 1,500 spins in total on a single 0 wheel!

It is slightly ahead. I won't be playing it for real money.

cheers

2 of the main reasons why I would not play this for real money.

1) I don't like methods that don't include the 0/00 (apart from as a hedge bet)

The 0/00 comprises of 2.7% the same as any other number on the wheel.

Any method is leaving itself open to attack by ignoring the 0/00.

I don't buy all this hedge the 0/00 nonsense. What if I am playing black and the 27/30 split starts appearing?
Do I start hedging the 27/30. Where does it end?


2) I don't like a method that tries to predict what's coming up in 10 spins time.

Let's say you are betting B after the qualification process.

The next 5 numbers are.....

15
31
16
5
13*

ok....so now you are in business betting B for the next 3 spins.

This process could have covered 13 spins from start to finish.

IMO, you can't claim an edge by predicting 10+ spins in advance using a mechanical method.

You might as well tell me what next week's lottery numbers are.

An edge is more likely to be achieved on a spin by spin basis IMO.


These are just my reasons why I would not play this method with real cash.

Don't let that put you off from testing or playing it.

It was 30 units up after 1,500 spins (not 1,500 placed bets) So this in no way represents any large testing data.

cheers [smiley]aes/beer.png[/smiley]

Thanks for reviewing this book. Most seem to written about his 'flaky' method which one can quickly see has little merit and the edge claim based on such a small sample is inappropriate but probably the publisher ( who is/ was a baccarat champion) needed to pull in some publicity with the claim.


What has interested me about the book was the professional gambling psychology which is referred to through a series of short and sharp very readable chapters. It is written in that sometimes squirm -making, over- familiar US style ( sorry to my American friends - it maybe a cultural thing) that John Patrick applies albeit in his case with a New Jersey style and with huge and very worthwhile experience.


A good Editor might have cut the attempted humour and the alien passage but it aims at the Las Vegas market.


Nevertheless it is on my bookshelf because of the compressed wisdom therein in spite of its shortcomings.


Also because of the bizarre real life experiences of the Author - not referred to in the book - and the fact that Mr Ellison did reply to my email although he wondered how I got his address - I wish him well.
XXVV

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 25, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
Don't take this the wrong way guys.....but we can we keep on topic.

This particular method is not a 'two dozen's method'.

It's either 2 six-lines = 12 numbers.

or

3 quads = 12 numbers.

cheers

no I did not mean 2 dozen, at the same time ,same stratagie but pick 1st  and 2 nd ex. Then spin 5 and the same as his method.same results.

My apologies Warrior!

Quote from: XXVV on November 25, 2013, 10:03:06 PM




Nevertheless it is on my bookshelf because of the compressed wisdom therein in spite of its shortcomings.

Hello XXVV

That is the best aspect of the book. It is obviously written by someone who has a good understanding of casinos.

I also like the quotes from famous people to start each chapter.

In fact....the best quote in my opinion is from David Sklansky.

''The pro knows to play by the month rather than by the day''

cheers

'The pro knows to play by the month rather than by the day''

i agree with you bally

I have read that book many times.  I recall him saying somewhere--may have been on-line--that it was for American wheel only.  That's why I bought and read it.

Sam