I think not but your input would be welcome and appreciated. They are both random but in different ways. Yesterday or today Albahala or who ever compared NFL travel to Cricket play(that's an interesting concept al)
So real players would be welcome to discuss this.

Roulette deals with physics. Baccarat does not and it is rules based. So no they are not the same in the approach.

With roulette, every spin has the same chance of hitting 10.  With Back-A-Rat, when the first 10 is shown, there is an infinitesimally smaller chance of getting another 10.  And smaller.  And smaller.

Deep into the shoe, there may be only 3 10s left.

Or I could be all wet...

Sam

And both the odds and edges are quite different, too.

Apples and pears are both fruit from trees, but look and taste quite different.

Quote from: JoeyKnish on November 25, 2013, 04:35:32 AM
Roulette deals with physics. Baccarat does not and it is rules based. So no they are not the same in the approach.

Well said I agree 100% with your statement 

Quote from: esoito on November 25, 2013, 07:18:03 AM
And both the odds and edges are quite different, too.

Apples and pears are both fruit from trees, but look and taste quite different.

They do, but you still  hold them with the hand and eat it through mouth. I am purely coming from a perspective of a player who doesn't understand the nitigrities of the game. But the questions raised might be relevant even to an experienced player.

Let us say as this novice player I play only Red and Black in roulette. I can't predict what's the next spin as it is independent of what happened earlier. There is no mechanism to predict what's going to happen next.

Blackjack, you can count cards. Baccarat, can you? So it finally boils down to BP in bac and RB in roulette.

Sure there are elements which are not comparable, but it is not entirely a black or white answer isn't it?

Hi All
I have been an avid Roulette player for 40 years; except for the last 10 years 90% of my playing has been baccarat and doing quite well with it.
About a year ago I started to experiment and test my method of playing Baccarat with Roulette.
To date I have tested over 200 live casino roulette sessions (a roulette session is approximately 65-70 spins)
In MHO there is a very strong comparison between Baccarat an Roulette as long as you compare apples with apples.
For comparison I only play the even money bets, and only on a single zero wheel, and it does not matter whether you compare the high / low, odd / even or red / black on Roulette, to banker / player on Baccarat. Both games are random.
If I was to send you 50 Baccarat scorecards and 50 Roulette scorecards without indicating which is which you would not be able to tell me which is which.

But with that said looking at the big picture I have found that roulette has more and longer straight runs and the same for ZZ runs.
I have also found that roulette produces more 2,2,2,runs with an occasional 3 in-between also a good run to exploit.

Furthermore I have noticed that Roulette tends to have a strong side more often then Baccarat.
I know some of you will say that the zero will hurt you and bite you in the butt, this is not totally true.
I have had as many as three sessions back to back without ever seeing the zero, on the other hand I have had sessions where zero was the hot number, if you are an experienced player you can sense when the zero is getting hot, that is when it is time quit the session and find another table.

On average and for the most part I find that the zero is almost the same as paying commission on Baccarat.
I have no explanation as to why this is, except perhaps Roulette is more random ??.
As for a progression I strongly do not believe in a negative progression, nor do I believe in flat betting, I use a 12,12 loop progression, if I lose two bets in a row I start with a one unit bet till I win then back to the 12 loop Prog.

I never make a three unit bet except if the session is doing exceptionally well and I have a good score I will go to a 23, 23 loop Prog. Roulette Player

Roulette Player, nice to have you here on this forum.
With 40 years of experience in roulette and 10 in Baccarat it is good to have such an experience player around.


With 2,2,2 runs you mean, 2 reds, 2highs etc....??


12, 12 loop progression??

Carlitos 

Quote from: Carlitos on November 25, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Roulette Player, nice to have you here on this forum.
With 40 years of experience in roulette and 10 in Baccarat it is good to have such an experience player around.


With 2,2,2 runs you mean, 2 reds, 2highs etc....??

No not at all, when you are playing even money bets only play one of the three don't intertwine them.
Buy 2,2,2 runs and mean RR,BB,RR BB, this is a run of twos when playing red / black
The same would apply if playing Hi Lo =HH,LL,HH,LL or odd/ even = OO,EE,OO,EE

Quote from:  Carlos
12, 12 loop progression??

First never make a two unit bet until you win a one Unit bet.
After you win one unit start your Prog with 2 unit bet then a 1 unit bet ,then keep going 2,1,2,1, ect. tell you lose two in a row.
You never make a 3 unit bet.
When you lose two bets iar you start flat betting with 1 unit till you win the 1 unit bet, then back to the 21 Prog.
Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.
If you lose 3 bets iar stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.
If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe/session and find another table..

I very seldom lose more then 4 or 5 units in a shoe, that is my stop loss.

Note: if the shoe is exceptionally good and your score is high you could increase your Prog to a 23.

I hope this helps to clear it up for you if not let me know.

In order to help clear things up a little look at it this way.

Let's say you are tracking red and black on your scorecard, (I am assuming that most players are using a scorecard when they play)

You would keep score on the red and black the same as you would for player and banker in baccarat.
Red would be the Player and black would be Banker on your scorecard.

This would also apply if you are tracking odd/ even or Hi/ Lo

You would play what you see on your scorecard the same exact way you would play if you were playing baccarat, with what ever system or method you use to play baccarat.

Every EC betting game is same mathematically and theoretically except a little changes in house edge. A concept that wins roulette wins baccarat too, so far as EC betting is concerned. Baccarat offers "Tie" bet and roulette a variety of inside and outside bets with varying degree of probabilities/payouts that makes all the differences between the two.
          Rolling a ball or giving shuffled cards are ways to randomize the results to make it as unpredictable as possible.