I just for fun tested the Fool Proof Progression and find it amazing how much you can win, really big wins.
On a win you increase one unit and on a loss you increase one unit, simple as that.
I just took my average even money bet to see how it perform:
W 1 +1
W 2 +3
W 3 +6
L 4 +2
L 5 -3
W 6 +3
W 7 +10
W 8 +18
W 9 +27
L 10 +17
W 11 +28
W 12 +40
W 13 +53
W 14 +67
I think Brett Mortons - Money Management Strategy - would do just fine with this Fool Proof Progression.
I will create a LW-Registry chart with loses and winnings to see when you are in the positive area and the negative area, also to pin point out where the crucial draw-downs occur.
Get back soon ...
Cheers
This progression is great! It's not like you have to use it every spin either. You might play two sides of a bet and can use it on the side that is hotting up throwing out consecutive wins hoping for it to continue.
True i also like this very much and start to test it with different even money bets.
Cheers
it only works for so long...how do i know...i try this strategy out all the time on stefs bot on every system i have which is a lot....you can do stuff like this ...any amounts up or down on a loss or win...and reset in new high if you want,,,i,m just saying its only good for so long
That's the bad/good thing about the ExcelBot. It allows one to put theories to the test.
Hi 6th sense
Can u please clarify what do u mean by " it's only good for so long......" in relation
to your post above.
What sort of time frame or number of spins are u referring to ......? I have tried all sorts
of progression such as Bread winner's , lifetime progression, Guetting progression and
numerous others in the forum etc.....and the one that gives me consistently the best results
for ec bets is clearly fool proof progression.....
fool proof works until you hit a really bad run , then it's a bitch to get out of.. but it is in my top 7 progressions and i pull it out once in awhile
i don,t really notice the time frame as i let the bot run...sometimes i,ll watch it on and off for a few hours...and it seems fine...when i leave it running it just goes way way down..lost 1000 bankroll playmoney numerous times...i think Sam can agree on that..i,ve asked stef to implement a feature on his bot where it can switch sheets after so many units won automatically..maybe it,ll hold up better swapping sytems...maybe if i get a bit of time i,ll set the bot with the settings and video it for you...a bit time consuming as busy at the moment...but if i have any system your interested in i,ll set for you to see and watch...sorry about the late reply just noticed your post...just been busy looking at razors thread this week
it will win but it will take units
I do not think this is a very wise progression. This will lose more and win less in long term. I have simulated it and it is a disaster. It can be good if someone can ensure consistency in his betselection which is not possible.
tomla...i suppose its how many units you are willing to gamble and table limits...this is just as bad as the martingale
Another way to play this progression is in groups of three's.
You increase either 1 or 2 units depending on if the last three bets were a group win or loss.
These outcomes you increase 1 unit.
WWW = Win
WWL = Win
WLW = Win
LWW = Win
These outcomes you increase 2 units.
LLL = Loss
LLW = Loss
LWL = Loss
WLL = Loss
So every three bets you look back to determine if you had a winning or losing group and bet accordingly for the next three spins, anytime you are at a new session high reset and start from 1 unit for the next three spins.
Hopefully this should keep you in the game longer.
EDIT: Of course if you prefer you could just increase 1 unit no matter if the last three bets were wining or losing groups, it's up to you.
Thanks
malcop
Thanks Tomla, 6th sense, Malcorp, Albalaha and everyone who responded. There are 2 ways for playing fool proof
progression as described in the book. I think depending upon which of the 2 methods u are playing the risk is different.
I only play for relatively short period of time ; I always reset at 1 unit on a new bank high and up to now
both ways of playing give good results. If I see I'm on a losing streak, I stop playing swiftly as per JP advised
in his book; and come back at the table later on.
Imho think if we do not abuse the use of the fool proof progression, stay at the table for relatively short period of time
, and provided the bet selection is quite sound the profit will be there.
I use it in the same way-I pull it out once in awhile--but it is a good tool to have in your work bag.
Malcop
You say raise 1 unit after 1 loss or no loss in last three and raise 2 units after 2 losses or 3 losses in last three...
Reset after new high
I'm ok with the second part of your statement ... raise 2 units etc etc
I'm ok with Reset after new high...
Where I kinda bug on this is you say to raise 1 unit after 1 loss or no loss in last three... hmmm you're at a new high with these outcomes and would reset ... why raise 1 unit ?
Am I missing something ?
Buffster
Hi Buffster,
When I am talking about a lose or win I mean a group lose or group win.
WLW group win up 1 unit.
WWL group win up 1 unit.
LWL group loss up 2 units.
LWW group win up 1 unit.
LLL group loss up 2 units.
WWW group win up 1 unit and so on.....
You only decide what to do after three placed bets.
And as I said before you decide what unit value you go up after each group win or loss.
Thanks
malcop
wlw ... first w new high and reset ... why go to three spins and +1
wwl ... first w new high and reset ... why go to three spins and +1
lww...after second w new high and reset... why +1
www... first w new high and reset... why go to three spins and +1
you're +1 section does not make any sense...you reach a new high before your three spins except lww which you get new high on second w...so you reach a new high and reset ..so why +1
Is this suppose to be a positive progression or a negative progression ?
Buffster
Buffster,
I did say reset on a new session high.
For example if I had WW and found that I was at a new session high, then reset and start again at 1 unit, or W gave me a new session high reset.
So there is no need to complete a group of three if you find yourself at a new session high.
And yes this is a positive/negative progression.
Thanks
malcop
I know this is your progression but if I may ...
On a double loss +1
On a triple loss +2
And since you're not implementing any -1 decisions ... only a reset on new high
Either you better have one very good bet selection that can get you some wins in a row to overcome your always rising bets on a bad run, I hope you have a Stop Loss.
Just my 0.02$
Buffster
This could be played many ways.
But the main thing is you do not start the progression until looking back three bets you have a losing group.
So if a session started like this: WLWWWLW I would be just flat betting, but we get WLWWWLWL now if you look back to the last three we now have LWL a group loss, now the progression begins.
There are lots of ways of using group wins/losses here is one of my favorites
This win/loss string WW WLW LL LWL
Would be broken down like this.
WW = Group Win
WLW = Group Win
LL = Group Loss
LWL = Group Loss
Now instead of waiting three bets you look back two or three bets to decide on what to do next.
Thanks
malcop
i think you all need to try the demo version of the bot or free trial none of this works...you sort out this way of betting on the sheet and use the bot settings for the rest...i,ve tried them all...you get a to a certain point on no recovery ..then whoosh off you go downhill
Geez, I hope "Mike the Boxer" doesn't see this and correct me!!
Guys
I have been testing an idea for months. I won't say it's the "G-word" or even a winner---yet! I am running three computers, running bots by Normy and the ExcelBot almost daily nearly all day.
Here is what I do. Whatever my "system" (hak-kaf) is, I set the bots to cut off at a win or ten or a loss of ten. That is a "group" to me. If my group wins, I just re-start the bot. If It loses, I go up one with the "Basebet Multiplier" and try again with double the bet and double the bankroll and the profit/loss amount. If I lose again, up again. If I win, down to one unit and reduce the bankroll and profit/loss amount. I call this an "Outside D'Alembert".
Will this "Spruce Goose" fly? Well, it's flying pretty well. Rough weather? Sure!!
That's the pertinent part; here it gets wordy...
I'm relatively sure we all know you can't add two and two and get four and a half or five. None of us are just plain stupid. What I hope to do--and I believe it's possible--is to be, for a short time, where the losing run isn't. I am convinced everything---and I do mean everything---in roulette or any flow of numbers comes in waves. It ebbs and flows....
All we have to do is learn when to get on and when to get off. It's not magic or voodoo, which I love; it's just mechanics.
Let the scoldings begin!!
TwoCatSam
Sam...is this your spare room?
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Ya ain't far off, Bro.....
Completely agree with u Sam; I regard playing roulette in a similar way as
stock trading; In the long run we all know we are dead......; but in the short term we can
make some good dough; It is all a matter of timing, i.e being there at the time time, make a quick
buck and get out.......before getting killed.......lol ;-)
Cheers
Rouletta
Quote from: malcop on October 19, 2013, 02:50:43 AM
This could be played many ways.
But the main thing is you do not start the progression until looking back three bets you have a losing group.
So if a session started like this: WLWWWLW I would be just flat betting, but we get WLWWWLWL now if you look back to the last three we now have LWL a group loss, now the progression begins.
There are lots of ways of using group wins/losses here is one of my favorites
This win/loss string WW WLW LL LWL
Would be broken down like this.
WW = Group Win
WLW = Group Win
LL = Group Loss
LWL = Group Loss
Now instead of waiting three bets you look back two or three bets to decide on what to do next.
Thanks
malcop
Nice details malcop ...