Quote from: VLS on August 27, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
"So we choose when we want to play, we choose the side we wish to play on, and we get to select the amount of our bet, and even can terminate any session at our optimal time.  Sweeeet, ain't it?"

-gr8player

Thank you, Victor, for opening this most pertinent topic:

You see, fellas, we have, each of us, certain Player's Edges, and I list them as follows:

1.)  We can bet where we want.  (Our own personal bet selection process is strictly our choosing.)

2.)  We can bet what we want.  (Our own personal bet sizes, and adjustments thereof...read:  money-management...is strictly our choosing.)

3.)  We can "no-bet" when we want.  (Never, ever discount that most powerful tool in our arsenal...the "No-Bet".  We can, when the shoe is not cooperating as much as we'd prefer it to, decide simply to "sit it out"... a priceless characteristic of Baccarat.)

4.)  We can terminate a session when we want.  (Optimal "exit strategies" are a vital part of our chances for long-term success at this game; especially if you're seeking to train yourself how to accept a WIN, any win.  Trust me, you do that, and they'll all begin to add up rather handsomely over time.)

Those are our Player's Edges.  Use them wisely, my friends, for they are truly invaluable.

Welcome to the forum!

Thanks to you for taking the time to write an insightful opening post.

Certainly, plenty of the fellows around are happy to see you here.

...Anything, just "shout".
Vic

@gr8player,
                 So you mean option to when to start, how much to start with and when to pull off is an advantage/edge to the player by themselves or a player needs proper strategy to use them in a logical way to get an edge/advantage?
         The player's edges that you defined are available to all players, all the players use them too but they still lose.

Quote from: Albalaha on August 30, 2014, 06:56:18 PM
@gr8player, The player's edges that you defined are available to all players, all the players use them too but they still lose.

Hello, Albalaha, I trust all is well with you, my friend.

Hmmm...."all the players use them"....:

I'm not so sure about that. 

I witness players betting every hand with no apparent regard to any bet selection consistency.

I also witness players betting with no apparent regard to any sort of money management.

And I witness players that have no apparent idea as to when they might terminate their sessions, which, unfortunately, leads many to leave that ultimate decision to the casino; or, said differently, when their chips are all lost.

So, yes, my Player's Edges are not indigenous just to me, they are there to be utilized by all.

But, let's make no mistake of it, not everyone utilizes them to their maximum advantage, and therein, my friend, lies the rub.

These edges are best utilized by the most patient, disciplined and consistent of players; lacking such traits these edges are nothing more than mere words.

Stay well.

@greatplayer,
                 You seem to forget my few more lines:
                           

QuoteSo you mean option to when to start, how much to start with and when to pull off is an advantage/edge to the player by themselves or a player needs proper strategy to use them in a logical way to get an edge/advantage?

             Liberty to start a bet or pause or resume or quit at your own choice doesn't make a winner. Please show one such strategy of yours that does, we simulate it and you will no longer be a winner. [smiley]aes/stop.png[/smiley]

Ahh, my friend, and there it is....the same old, same old argument of:

"Show me where it holds up statistically, even with your edges"

I heard that same refrain every other day at the Wiz's site, and finally decided it best to simply cease the argument by withdrawing my membership there.  In two words:  their loss.

I have no numbers nor statistics that'll satisfy you, Albalaha.  Sorry. 

I have only numbers and statistics that satisfy ME.  So be it.

Best not to beat it to death, my friend; it'll lead only to your frustration.

And, IMHO, a person who chooses the casino's edge over their own wants no part of any frustration.

Stay well.

Quote from: gr8player on September 01, 2014, 02:33:41 PM
I have only numbers and statistics that satisfy ME.  So be it.

That is the only thing that matters.  Proving yourself to people who post the same old arguements in an attempt to make you post the way you bet is not important.

This happens a lot and Albalaha is a master of this without contributing anything of substance to any forum he is part of.

Before you object to what I have written Albalaha, please show me one post of your 1000+ posts on this forum where you have given any indication by demonstration of how you bet.   You have a HG don't you?  Therefore you don't need these forums anymore.

Quote from: muggins on September 01, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
That is the only thing that matters.  Proving yourself to people who post the same old arguements in an attempt to make you post the way you bet is not important.

This happens a lot and Albalaha is a master of this without contributing anything of substance to any forum he is part of.

Before you object to what I have written Albalaha, please show me one post of your 1000+ posts on this forum where you have given any indication by demonstration of how you bet.   You have a HG don't you?  Therefore you don't need these forums anymore.

Hello, Muggins.

I've nothing personally against Albalaha or anyone else that chooses to accept the house edge as unbeatable.  It is, after all is said and done, the easiest of affirmations...one only need to do the math.

But I also believe that if you choose to visit these gaming forums then one should do so with an open mind, and maybe be just a bit less cynical in their gaming beliefs.

Lastly, Muggins, as to my "posting the way I bet"....I've been doing that for years in these forums.  But, I hope you can understand, it doesn't matter.  For the "way I bet"...the way I approach this game...is MY WAY and works FOR ME.

I will expound upon that as time permits, but, for now, suffice to say that it is more a matter of each player's own responsibility to learn exactly what it takes to get the better of this game for themselves, as opposed to simply reading up on someone else's method.

Stay well.

            If you guys want to spread some more fallacies to this already fallacy-ridden place, go for them. If you want to have serious and fruitful debates, start that with a logic and digestible approach and let other members contribute to them, suggest tweaks and improvements peacefully. That is how a debate should go on.

@Muggins,
           You are a very new kid in the block and before mudslinging on others have a look at yourself. Daily waking up and writing a raw idea as a system is not what I do. Have a look at my blog that has about 190k views from lurkers and frustrated players like you who look at my writings for reference. Many of the biggest names that you have heard over many forums have been members over there.

@gr8player,
                 I consider you to be both a player and innovator. House edge is set in stone to help casinos. I do not say that it makes casino any immortal but rather try to fight the worst probabilities where my bet has a very bad hit rate (where house edge and negative variance both playing against me). See: http://betselection.cc/money-management/albalaha's-open-challenge-can-anyone-beat-the-worst/ 

5.)

We can pick our noses; or be polite, and hope it helps our chances somehow.

Quote from: gr8player on August 30, 2014, 04:53:25 PMThose are our Player's Edges.

And the casinos' edges too.  They use discipline, and whatever suits professionally, and personally, at the moment.  Even the infamous no-bets, by, banning the real winners, shuffling up, or shutting down a table when no longer profitable however. 

But, my friends, they keep the only edge which matters all along.  The one which amounts to the subjective "edges" 1) to 5) for the players.

Quote from: gr8player on September 01, 2014, 02:33:41 PM
I heard that same refrain every other day at the Wiz's site, and finally decided it best to simply cease the argument by withdrawing my membership there.  In two words:  their loss.

I have no numbers nor statistics that'll satisfy you, Albalaha.  Sorry. 

I have only numbers and statistics that satisfy ME.  So be it.

The probm is the great one forgets what he posts, back then he states he has no stats, today he states they are proven.

Also a convenience of truth of what really transpired at the WoV