Let's assume you play 37 spins and each number on the wheel lands just once during those 37 spins.

There are some things one can assume for the sake of argument.  This is not one of them.

Let's assume you are a very good guitarist, but you have never played "Classical Gas".  How long would it take you to learn it?

The assumption you are a very good guitarist is not out of the realm of possibility.  You could be!!  Hitting 37 numbers without a repeat is out of the realm of possibility in the normal sense of the word.  So the argument is moot from the get-go.

But I'm sure someone will point out I'm wrong!  I love it!!

Sam

Maybe one number but for sure, NOT many numbers. Another thing left out (unless I missed it), this one number business sounds great in theory BUT......

A) Most people want the fun and excitement of betting many numbers. Most lack the discipline and lets be honest, its VERY boring.

B) Your time!! In terms of RNG, I could careless, I'm talking about an actual casino. When betting 1-2 numbers, you must have the TIME to bounce back when down and that's NOT counting, we haven't even discussed unit sizes for that ONE number.

EXAMPLE >> I played one number about a month ago. I left with a $900 profit. How long did that take? 7.5 hours. What was my peak along the way you ask? Yep, $900 at the end. You can **NOT** play one number on your lunch break from work.


Ken

A A funny thought. Consider there are 36 alternate universes. In every universe I am chosing 1 number to bet on. None of the numbers are same. In other words am betting on all 36 numbers but 0. I am flat betting 1 unit. I stop after an optimal number of spins, between 14 to 22 (some crazy relation to pi) or if the number that am betting on hits, whichever is earlier. Now when I total up the results from all these universes will I be plus at the end of these optimal number of spins?


A pure extension of Twocat's 5 strikes and out.


Hmmm  i am in a hurry. the flight's in the evening and haven't packed yet

There are some good points in here for sure!

Quote from: Mr J on August 23, 2013, 05:43:48 AM


B) Your time!! In terms of RNG, I could careless, I'm talking about an actual casino. When betting 1-2 numbers, you must have the TIME to bounce back when down and that's NOT counting, we haven't even discussed unit sizes for that ONE number.


Ken

Totally agree. My small test yesterday comprised of around 400 spins. It took about 3 hours on betvoyager. That would have taken 8-9 hours in some of the casinos where I play at.

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 01:07:40 AM

There's no maths that says you can't play a bet selection in a regular state of low variance. And that applies to all payouts.

Well I think this is where we will have our best shot. So it's all about finding an optimal way to achieve it.

Since this system came up again..........."A pure extension of Twocat's 5 strikes and out."

I have in my bots systems that play 1 number and systems that play many;  "Five Strikes" starts playing 35.  I think it is just the preference by the individual.  I hate to wait for 100 spins or more to see one number bet.  I'd rather just win or lose and get it over with.

Sam

"I hate to wait for 100 spins or more to see one number bet.  I'd rather just win or lose and get it over with" >>> .....and this is the norm. Don't take that in a bad way. Most people simply will not play ONE number, its just not "fun" enough.

Ken

Ken

I don't take it in a bad way.  I have stated many times I do this for fun.  I guess I am different; my wife says I'm nuts.  I love to sit and watch three bots run at the same time.  (Beats TV)  It's much better to see chips go down and wait for a win/loss than to watch a bot run for hours on end and never get a bet.

I will say one more thing:  It is very possible to win playing a large-numbers game.

Samster

You guys shouldn't get wrapped up in whether or not you can play a system against a live wheel. You can. There is much more to the game than just black and white.

Firstly, though, if you have to wait 200 spins for a win, well there seems to be something suspect with that. Why base the system around winning on an event that you have to stand around all day waiting for? Base it on events that are happening all the time. Logical, no?

And the straight-up bet really offers no advantage over any other bet. All it does is offer the best payout. Take the premise of the bet selection and modify it so you can apply it to a lesser payout.

Use the very same premise to bet the splits or streets so you can play it against a live wheel. Mathematically there's no difference.

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Firstly, though, if you have to wait 200 spins for a win, well there seems to be something suspect with that. Why base the system around winning on an event that you have to stand around all day waiting for?

The best way IMO would be to have a handful of triggers for every spin. That does not mean you are going to bet on every spin.
However you are ready to jump in at any time. Small windows of opportunity will present themself somewhere down the line. I think this is one of the reasons I prefer just to play a single number or a split or two. I just want to dip my toe in the water and try and get a quick win or two which will give me a profit. You can have quite a few attempts at this when playing so few numbers. Playing an E/C bet and losing that first bet means a win on the next attempt can only result in breaking even if you are flat betting.

It is my belief that if you can keep the variance low for an E/C bet or a sixline for example...then you should be able to achieve the same eventually for the other bets like streets / splits etc... It is surely just a natural progression if you are onto something. So then I would be asking why would anybody want to put more of their money in action if they did not really need to. It reminds me of the saying 'it's not what you win, it's what you don't lose'.

But anyway, we all have our own ways of playing and it's all good as long as we are getting some enjoyment out of it!

Playing a single number gets the ultimate variability to be up the longest possible.
For instance, you have got 53% chance to be at least +1 unit in a 179 spin play
As pne said, there are no wasted chips playing 1 number. playing 2 number has got a at least 1 unit wasted, because only one numbers comes at the time.

If something in roulette is GOOD (playing one number), there is always an opposite, there has to be. The opposite is....playing MANY numbers.
As I have said 400 times in the past, stop with SO MANY numbers bet (imo). 2-4 !!!!!!!!!!

Ken

Cool, Ken is around.

Over the past three years of play I'm often been tempted to bet one number that is firing fire-hot at a time. They run a five or six hits hot streak and then most of the time they drop off that super hot pace.

Based on 300 spins, a hot number needs to hit 9 times to break even. Hot numbers hit from 14 to 22 times in 300 spins. I know this because my first research into randomness was tracking the three hottest numbers from 300 spin cycles. I started that research back in 1995. I've seen a hot number hit 28 times once. That's three times the break even point.

Here is what often happens. The super white hot, hottest number, is often also one of the three hottest numbers in a 300 spin cycle. That's a reference to recognition of the best three and nothing more.

When you start to think in terms of 10 to 12 hours on a live wheel of play as a session then now you are ready for hottest number play.

my 2 cents