Quote from: gizmo26 on June 23, 2017, 10:25:50 PM
How do we know if these shoes results are even genuine? One minute "Alrelax" is attacking Stephen trying to silence him, the next minute his posting ugly shoes results!!! I smell a rat. From what I could read he never even bought a copy of the book! And suddenly he says the system does not work!!! It seems he'll do/say anything to attack Stephen and his book, even if that means posting end results of shoes no one can see, or verify as being true and real. And even if they are real he could have selected the worst ones out of many. I mean if this were a court it would be a kangaroo court.

You are absolutely wrong.  I never said any verdict about his book, i don't subscribe to or use 'systems'.  I only asked him not to spar with people about his book.  I did feel he was preaching 'in and above' his book for sales--but so be it.  I am not attacking Stephen or his book.  My whole beef in the beginning was to get him to sponsor the board for selling a commercial item, we have already been through all that.

As far as the shoes posted, those shoes are absolute real live shoes and if you play enough you will see easy, hard, ugly and very pretty, LOL.  Seriously, not time to throw this all on me, not by any chance.   

And when i said the other day to Stephen, 'please don't fight or spar' with members, i was attempting to keep Stephen neutral in my own way.  If you have a good or great product, it will speak for itself, IMO.  I have no problem with Stephen and I don't think he feels that I do...? 

What is this $700 workshop.....I didn't have time to read all the posts.

Quote from: 8OR9 on June 23, 2017, 10:45:05 PM
What is this $700 workshop.....I didn't have time to read all the posts.

some have written to me on email and chat referring to a $700 workshop somewhere

Quote from: alrelax on June 23, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
And when i said the other day to Stephen, 'please don't fight or spar' with members, i was attempting to keep Stephen neutral in my own way.  If you have a good or great product, it will speak for itself, IMO.  I have no problem with Stephen and I don't think he feels that I do...?

What is wrong you man! Why do you see everything Stephen writes as a "fight" as I read, his only defending aspects of his strategy? He has the right to. You keep popping up like a crow with no food; a mixture of hoarse or grating coos, caws, rattles, and clicks, they are annoying to read and only get in the way the debate. I know you appear on almost every thread but please for once can you just give it a rest for once and allow Stephen to get on and debate with Mike and the others. Sorry I get the feeling you always want the limelight

Quote from: gizmo26 on June 23, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
What is wrong you man! Why do you see everything Stephen writes as a "fight" as I read, his only defending aspects of his strategy? He has the right to. You keep popping up like a crow with no food; a mixture of hoarse or grating coos, caws, rattles, and clicks, they are annoying to read and only get in the way the debate. I know you appear on almost every thread but please for once can you just give it a rest for once and allow Stephen to get on and debate with Mike and the others. Sorry I get the feeling you always want the limelight

I don't know what to say. I'm trying to stick to strategies and gambling chat really.

Whatever mark in Sandy Oregon I'm done I will not post on the board no more.  by the way did you repay the money you took from the other members for all your research and all the failure and the gambling you've done I got some concrete evidence that you did not but not my deal. You just have a habit of telling damn half-truths and making SPars Like a soap opera. I'm done.

do you know this man Alrelax? does he owe u money?

a close friend of mine on this board and I have copies of the emails the driver's license number the Bank wiring information and all of the emails for several months and it's very explicit and very clear and it's more or less just a con job but he wants to flip everything to me like I'm the a****** whatever I'm on the way to the casino have a nice night I'll email you some stuff tomorrow Stephen and you'll see what I'm talking about I have your personal email we've exchanged some pictures in emails thank you

and I'm telling you absolute truth I put it on my little four year olds life I know what I'm talking about is absolute hundred percent truth swear to God over my parents and my little boy.

personally i never lend or borrow money as a rule but people in casinos mostly those who ask everyone for money ask me for money too. I give hem a few pounds but as a gift not a loan because i don't want to chase them and don't want to keep lending even if they do pay back. It's against casino rules to go around asking people to lend money. They can get banned. They try and bum off of VIPs too free food drinks etc.

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 23, 2017, 09:57:50 PM
Valid? To be honest I believe only individual people can say if their own results are "valid" because no one can confirm with the shoe results are genuine and with all respect to anyone posting such results, even if they are genuine there will always be that element of doubt in the readers mind. Therefore it would be better for individuals to carry out there own checks.

Stephen,

  The reason I have played those three shoes from Alrelaz, you know, the obvious fake ones that he put a lot of time and effort in to make them look "real", well they are all available for anyone to use for TESTING of various system plays, not just yours.

  If several of us use them and come up with wildly different results, then some of us are on the wrong track with regards to your play.

  If the people who have purchased/received your play want to test it out and their results are similar, then we'll be in agreement.

  Why would anyone believe that the recently posted shoes from Alrelax are not real?

  I'm not trying to bash you or your play, I'm just playing it for others to make up their own mind about it.

  Why I'm spending this much time on a play I'll never use is beyond me.  I must be having a boring week or something.   However, it is fun running something different for a change.

  AD

Quote from: ADulay on June 24, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
Stephen,

  The reason I have played those three shoes from Alrelaz, you know, the obvious fake ones that he put a lot of time and effort in to make them look "real", well they are all available for anyone to use for TESTING of various system plays, not just yours.

  If several of us use them and come up with wildly different results, then some of us are on the wrong track with regards to your play.

  If the people who have purchased/received your play want to test it out and their results are similar, then we'll be in agreement.

  Why would anyone believe that the recently posted shoes from Alrelax are not real?

  I'm not trying to bash you or your play, I'm just playing it for others to make up their own mind about it.

  Why I'm spending this much time on a play I'll never use is beyond me.  I must be having a boring week or something.   However, it is fun running something different for a change.

  AD

I see your point. And I know as I wrote I've received emails and PMs from people and read posts here re shoe results from a member referring to this issue that they might or might not be fake/made up or whatever, but I can't comment really. I am personalty not making any accusations since I cannot prove anything in this respect so it's pointless to even think about it. I think the bottom line is that each person should test strategy using his/her own shoe results that were recorded by those persons. Since then they will then at least know that their results are true having taken them down themselves. While I value your time I think the best way for everyone to move forward is to try any system (not just mine) using results they themselves have noted otherwise we end up in this kind of stance where people start to doubt/believe or get personal. I have PM'ed Alrelax to take it easy and continue to post in this and other threads and I hope he continues to do so. I give him my full support in this respect.     

I deleted the shoes, nothing to worry about, the fake shoes are gone now.  Ok?

Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:02:20 AM
I deleted the shoes, nothing to worry about, the fake shoes are gone now.  Ok?

1. Other members PM'ed me, emailed me re the mob. I do not know if the mob is real, or true
2. Alrelax posted three shoe results, he had the right to, but members, readers will always have doubts, they have this right too. For me the shoes were bad against my strategy though that said using Martingale the results show that my strategy is still strong.
3.I do not believe that Alreax set out to damage me re the three shoes he posted. Though I stand by the advise for readers to check their own results. Why this makes sense is that while Alreax shoes may be real true, others could post fake ones. I think Alreax would agree on this point. And this is not to say that his are fake. When I wrote what others advised me I was only putting it out there, not to say this is so with Alraex' results.
4. My novel The Godfifa, though not perfect was a first novella I wrote a long time ago. It was an experimental work. Tough there is one bad review on it, there are good points in that review too and reviewer wanted to read the next book. Please read the review for yourselves.
5. I do not know Alraex from Adam, therefore I have no beef with him. His entitled to his opinion and his blog. I know that he has mentioned to me a lot on his other posts and threads. I can't stop him from doing that but I don't like to refer to non gambling related topics for the most part. I never delete my posts and within which I seldom write outside of gambling related topics. I hope he'll adopt this stance too. I don't mind if he PMs me and calls me whatever he likes I can take it but besides this doing live on the forum does not help the forum or other readers who come here for information.
6. I am sorry this whole thing has gotten out of hand somewhat and I hope it stops because I get no satisfaction in it. I like to read what others write about gambling related topics, strategies, casino life and the like.
7. I'm sorry if I had upset you. I did not mean to.

Dear all,

I really don't understand the accusations against Alrelax re fake games. I know him well enough to stand up for him to say to those who accuse him so 'stop the nonsense'

Why should he bother to make up fake results to disprove some book? When in reality there are all kinds of possible shoes that will kill a system one way or the other. As someone who has idiotically bought a few such systems (including BAT from Silverthorne) and in discussions wit Elliot himself on MvD etc etc there are always games that don't work well for ANY systems.

If you choose to believe there are holy grail systems that can handle ALL kinds of games please continue your faith. But please. Cut the accusation that Alrelax would do such a thing to post fake results.

From my @15 years Baccarat experience and research and experimentation including funding others for tests, I can say Alrelax has been one whose posts are factual, stimulating although sometimes, some may find it cocky at best and condescending at worst. But never, no, posting fake results. Please don't talk nonsense.