Quote from: Lungyeh on June 24, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
Dear all,

I really don't understand the accusations against Alrelax re fake games. I know him well enough to stand up for him to say to those who accuse him so 'stop the nonsense'

Why should he bother to make up fake results to disprove some book? When in reality there are all kinds of possible shoes that will kill a system one way or the other. As someone who has idiotically bought a few such systems (including BAT from Silverthorne) and in discussions wit Elliot himself on MvD etc etc there are always games that don't work well for ANY systems.

If you choose to believe there are holy grail systems that can handle ALL kinds of games please continue your faith. But please. Cut the accusation that Alrelax would do such a thing to post fake results.

From my @15 years Baccarat experience and research and experimentation including funding others for tests, I can say Alrelax has been one whose posts are factual, stimulating although sometimes, some may find it cocky at best and condescending at worst. But never, no, posting fake results. Please don't talk nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6tR78d0cmA

Quote from: Lungyeh on June 24, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
Dear all,

I really don't understand the accusations against Alrelax re fake games. I know him well enough to stand up for him to say to those who accuse him so 'stop the nonsense'

Why should he bother to make up fake results to disprove some book? When in reality there are all kinds of possible shoes that will kill a system one way or the other. As someone who has idiotically bought a few such systems (including BAT from Silverthorne) and in discussions wit Elliot himself on MvD etc etc there are always games that don't work well for ANY systems.

If you choose to believe there are holy grail systems that can handle ALL kinds of games please continue your faith. But please. Cut the accusation that Alrelax would do such a thing to post fake results.

From my @15 years Baccarat experience and research and experimentation including funding others for tests, I can say Alrelax has been one whose posts are factual, stimulating although sometimes, some may find it cocky at best and condescending at worst. But never, no, posting fake results. Please don't talk nonsense.

Alrelax may not like this but I agree with everything Lungyeh just said. Glen does not lie about his playing method and does not need to. He's really a good player, perhaps one of the best.

Quote from: Sputnik on June 22, 2017, 06:17:46 PM
Thanks Stephen, that sure made a difference when playing.
I got +26 units after 20 shoes and can feel the change when applying the new rules.

Cheers

Sputnik I'm informed you're on btc slagging off my book. It's not enough for you to lave me meg review, you are part of the mob, my ppl are telling me. I have eyes and ears everywhere.

Dear Stephan,

You are either stupid or an ordinary cheater.

I read your book. Rubbish. You spend 20 years of research to come up with this book. 
Your method seems to work sometimes. But If I close my eyes and play, I can win sometimes. It means that winning is primarily a matter of luck. Gambling is not beatable: at the long term, every one lose.  With money and time management, you can limit your lose, but you will lose.   

You are only here to sell your book. Otherwise, I don't understand why you are here. You claimed that you can easily win 3 units in a casino (£800). I am not sure whether you have enough money to gamble. In only couple of months, there are more editions of your book. Strange.

My recommendation is to every one: don't ever buy this kind of books. It is even better not to gamble. GAMBLING IS NOT BEATABLE.

Quote from: Mido on June 24, 2017, 11:46:04 PM
Dear Stephan,

You are either stupid or an ordinary cheater.

I read your book. Rubbish. You spend 20 years of research to come up with this book. 
Your method seems to work sometimes. But If I close my eyes and play, I can win sometimes. It means that winning is primarily a matter of luck. Gambling is not beatable: at the long term, every one lose.  With money and time management, you can limit your lose, but you will lose.   

You are only here to sell your book. Otherwise, I don't understand why you are here. You claimed that you can easily win 3 units in a casino (£800). I am not sure whether you have enough money to gamble. In only couple of months, there are more editions of your book. Strange.

My recommendation is to every one: don't ever buy this kind of books. It is even better not to gamble. GAMBLING IS NOT BEATABLE.

Read carefully, new member whoever you are, you are the "stupid" one. You bought nothing, you are dreaming. Read...
You come on here claiming to be a new member who bought my book and to slag me off and say I'm a cheater, let others judge when they read below.  31+ and counting, now shame yourself whoever you are...shame on you.

Despite the three bad shoes posted. I have gone through and applied my strategy, and here are the results:

(Note: Not every result is bet on as in the rules of my strategy)

Shoe one: 1-,2-,3- but if kept playing as follows, 2-, 1-, break even (BE), 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+ up to result number 32 on 1st shoe. / now to the end of the shoe: 4+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 1+,BE, 1+, 2+, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+ (max + is 3+ about half way and again towards the end, so if kept playing from start would have got out half way point 3+

Shoe two: 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 3-, up to result number 51 / now to the end of the shoe: 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 7-, 8- By half way you'd have to stop. Half way on this show would be approx 1-

Shoe number three: 1+, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1- 2-, 3-, 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 5-, 4-, 5-, 4-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 3+, 4+ end of shoe. / either you would have took the hit 3- or if carried on you would have eneded up 4+

Proof if anything that despite these bad shoes my strategy holds its own and therefore is the most powerful strategy ever! (Save that when 3.0 if published it will rock the casinos)

*NOW FOR THE MARVEL OF THE BACCARAT WORLD
Shoe one:
With Martingale incorporated.

As follows. 1-, (bet 2) lose = 3- (bet 4), lose = 7- (bet 8 ) win = 16 subtract 7- = 9+,10+,11+,12+, 11+, (bet 2) win 8 = 19+, 20+, 19+, (bet 2) lose 18+, (bet 4) win 4 = 22+ 21+, (bet 2) lose = 19+ (bet 4) win = 27+, 28+, 29+, 30+, 31+

Up to result number 32

What more do you want! And the wins just get better. My strategy is the best in the world. Baccarat cracked! Work it out for yourselves!!

Read carefully, you are the "stupid" one. You bought nothing, you are dreaming.

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Quote from: Baelog on June 23, 2017, 04:17:20 PM
With the clarification from Stephen in the message and on this forum I redid the test and got a better result. The first 27 shoes are the same as the first test.

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Thanks
Baelog

Since we are mentioning progression. This result would hold up to Soxfans progression without busting once.

Baelog

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 11:49:12 PM
Proof if anything that despite these bad shoes my strategy holds its own and therefore is the most powerful strategy ever!

It seems that you've revised the strategy in response to those "bad" shoes, and now it turns out they weren't really bad shoes after all!

I'm not saying that you're necessarily cheating deliberately, but this happens all the time on gambling forums. Here's the pattern, which is an endless loop:

1. System is published on the forum.
2. Members test and find weaknesses
3. System is tweaked to plug the gaps.
4 GOTO 1

The trouble is that in a negative expectation game, whatever you do and however many extra tweaks  are introduced, there is always a nemesis. All you're doing with the tweaks is changing the nemesis. It's endless. All the patterns and progressions, all the win targets and loss limits do absolutely nothing to change this.

So although your tweaks have resulted in a win for those particular shoes, there will as a consequence be a shoe pattern which has been newly added to the "bad" shoe list! Before the tweak, those shoes might well have been winners. It's easy to find the nemesis for any baccarat system because all you have to do is invent a sequence of outcomes which make it lose. Then ask yourself, "what is the chance that this pattern will actually occur?". Whatever that chance is, it's the same for ANY pattern of the same length. This fact has devastating consequences for the possibility of creating a winning system.

For short: we always find shoes at his foot .

Quote from: Mike on June 25, 2017, 08:17:48 AM
It seems that you've revised the strategy in response to those "bad" shoes, and now it turns out they weren't really bad shoes after all!

I'm not saying that you're necessarily cheating deliberately, but this happens all the time on gambling forums. Here's the pattern, which is an endless loop:

1. System is published on the forum.
2. Members test and find weaknesses
3. System is tweaked to plug the gaps.
4 GOTO 1

The trouble is that in a negative expectation game, whatever you do and however many extra tweaks  are introduced, there is always a nemesis. All you're doing with the tweaks is changing the nemesis. It's endless. All the patterns and progressions, all the win targets and loss limits do absolutely nothing to change this.

So although your tweaks have resulted in a win for those particular shoes, there will as a consequence be a shoe pattern which has been newly added to the "bad" shoe list! Before the tweak, those shoes might well have been winners. It's easy to find the nemesis for any baccarat system because all you have to do is invent a sequence of outcomes which make it lose. Then ask yourself, "what is the chance that this pattern will actually occur?". Whatever that chance is, it's the same for ANY pattern of the same length. This fact has devastating consequences for the possibility of creating a winning system.

without the Martingale incorporation, which is not a tweak i would go with btw, my strategy holds its own, in that when it is down it is less down the most gamblers betting baccarat are down playing their own way. If a player encountered a three shoes using my strategy he'd be confident that other shoes will present that would get any loses back and see profits. This is because I checked 10,000 shoes, I have seen how the points I wrote about in my book means that there are no two ways about it. My strategy in my 2nd book is the strongest because it 1. protects the bettor from major loses, and 2. it runs with profits on good and great shoes and 3. it allows the bettor to know when to bet again following riding out the bad waves. 4. when there are bad shoes this is only because there are double or treble waves following triggers. But this does not happen often in shoes and where it does occur though loses are a give, those loses will be manageable within bettors bankroll and are only pat of the overall + and - report. Over the longer term which I suggested in my book a bettor should be concentrating on, gambler of baccarat in using my strategy will see profits. This is because though when he is not betting, there are thousands of shoes being played all over the world, he is not pat of them, his objective it is hit and run with profits over a few shoes. To do want you want to do,i.e. play shoe infinite is impossible and madness. Computer generated results will never match the real dealer dealt cards are machine shuffled cards because within the program there's a bias. There's a bias that the banker has the edge so the program works to this rule. There are other biases. I've seen countless shoes in casinos where Player has the edge over Banker over a number of shoes in a row. Because the computer generated results is a "program" this means it has been "programed" thus the element of real randomness does not work because aspects of the its DNA like the greedy gambler will never allow it to replicate casino shuffled cards.

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 25, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
To do want you want to do,i.e. play shoe infinite is impossible and madness. Computer generated results will never match the real dealer dealt cards are machine shuffled cards because within the program there's a bias. There's a bias that the banker has the edge so the program works to this rule.

Stephen,

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions regarding computer programming and simulations. Since in the other thread you said you tested the system over 10,000 shoes, it seems you do realize the value of "long term" testing, but then you went on to say (again) that the system was never designed to be played over that many shoes! Why then did you bother?

Since the outcome of all those shoes was presumably positive, there is no contradiction between long term testing and the "hit and run"  approach you advocate. Why, then, do you object to computer testing? Is it because of the nature of the hands generated? or is it because you think a computer can't make the kinds of decisions a human can?

If it's the latter, you're wrong. A program is just a list of instructions given to a computer, so if you can tell a person how to play the system without ambiguity, you can tell a computer how to do the same. The only difference is that the computer has much more discipline and patience than any person.

You'd have been much better off investing the time it took to test over those 10,000 shoes in learning how to program computers to do it for you.

Quote from: Mike on June 25, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Stephen,

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions regarding computer programming and simulations. Since in the other thread you said you tested the system over 10,000 shoes, it seems you do realize the value of "long term" testing, but then you went on to say (again) that the system was never designed to be played over that many shoes! Why then did you bother?

Since the outcome of all those shoes was presumably positive, there is no contradiction between long term testing and the "hit and run"  approach you advocate. Why, then, do you object to computer testing? Is it because of the nature of the hands generated? or is it because you think a computer can't make the kinds of decisions a human can?

If it's the latter, you're wrong. A program is just a list of instructions given to a computer, so if you can tell a person how to play the system without ambiguity, you can tell a computer how to do the same. The only difference is that the computer has much more discipline and patience than any person.

You'd have been much better off investing the time it took to test over those 10,000 shoes in learning how to program computers to do it for you.

I test all my strategies over thousand of real casino shoes, because I am looking to go beyond the peak into the climb. Though as I wrote this cannot be achieved within shorter waves. No gambler can play hundreds of shoes non stop. When s/he breaks to rest shoes go on and on without him/her being there. The hit and run method means that /she enters the smaller waves hopefully on an up and gets out. If they experience a low at start of game 2.1 deals with this and many other aspects.   

I have already answered you re computer generated. I am not going to give away more information in this respect beyond what I have already stated. And to answer your second point, a computer cannot apply all the rules of my strategy in its entirety. The 10,000 shoe results I noted or on my computer and spread sheet I know all aspects of every single shoe. I gathered the results over 20 years from various casinos. They are fundamentally different in the way they present because they are real and not instructed to look real.

With respect Mike, this subject cannot disprove my strategy. It seems more based on greed and the worship of computers over human brain power. Remember a human invented computers and computers advance all the time because they have weaknesses like we all do. But the brain is more powerful, https://www.sciencealert.com/your-brain-is-still-30-times-more-powerful-than-the-best-supercomputers more supplicated than any computer or computer program that is made up of rules that are concrete. The mind has imagination and systemises. A computer program cannot think outside the box, a human can Mike.

It's mind over matter Mike, and I am that Mind Mike.  as you're learning from me all the time. 

I don't know why you keep mentioning greed because it's totally irrelevant. You admit yourself that a system needs to be tested over a large number of shoes in order to see how it holds up in the long run, and you have done this for your system, but that has nothing to do with "greed". So I think we're on the same page here.

QuoteAnd to answer your second point, a computer cannot apply all the rules of my strategy in its entirety. ...The mind has imagination and systemises. A computer program cannot think outside the box, a human can Mike.

I read this a lot and it's a specious argument. It probably comes from a lack of understanding of computers and programming. Of course a computer can apply ALL the rules of your strategy. This is so because it's a one-to-one mapping from the rules which you would give to another person to the rules a person would give to a computer, and if you can't explain the rules clearly to another person then it can't be "explained" to a computer either. A computer doesn't NEED to have imagination or think outside the box; it just needs to be given clear instructions. Understand? The only "rules" that a computer can't follow are precognition or perhaps "intuition". But then if your system relies on intuition in order to win then it's not a system, is it?

Quoteas you're learning from me all the time. 

lol, you flatter yourself. I've seen all these "arguments" many times from system sellers, and if you think members here will fall for it you're insulting their intelligence.

Quote from: Mike on June 25, 2017, 06:11:08 PM
I don't know why you keep mentioning greed because it's totally irrelevant. You admit yourself that a system needs to be tested over a large number of shoes in order to see how it holds up in the long run, and you have done this for your system, but that has nothing to do with "greed". So I think we're on the same page here.

I read this a lot and it's a specious argument. It probably comes from a lack of understanding of computers and programming. Of course a computer can apply ALL the rules of your strategy. This is so because it's a one-to-one mapping from the rules which you would give to another person to the rules a person would give to a computer, and if you can't explain the rules clearly to another person then it can't be "explained" to a computer either. A computer doesn't NEED to have imagination or think outside the box; it just needs to be given clear instructions. Understand? The only "rules" that a computer can't follow are precognition or perhaps "intuition". But then if your system relies on intuition in order to win then it's not a system, is it?

lol, you flatter yourself. I've seen all these "arguments" many times from system sellers, and if you think members here will fall for it you're insulting their intelligence.

Okay
1. my system does not reply on intuition, save that someone farts in a casino you might lose a bet by getting out of the way!
2. If no system works for you  and you don't believe in them then can I ask what are you doing here save to wind people up?
3. Members, not all but most and readers guests of and to this site are here for information for the most part and shall make up their own minds. Just because you are a disbeliever it does not follow that all will agree with you. If you can prove that no system works, go and write a book on it, I'm sure it will be a best seller!
4. Since you do believe that I know sweet F A, then don't waste your energy and mine by engaging with me. Clearly you have already made up your mind about what I think. Therefore we are at deadlock and it is thus pointless communicating. 
5. At the end of the day a system is a rule or set of rules explaining how the author of it plays to win. If people want to know how he does it then that is up to them. If other people like yourself do not believe in systems or have your own way of playing (i.e. your own system) then stick to that, why on earth would you want to condemn another persons system! If I don't like how someone chews his/her food, i.e. some people do it with their mouth open I move away from them, look away. I don't try and convince them to stop because I you don't like it. If it works for them then it works for them. I used  get this all the time, I used to get it from people like you in casinos which is why I seldom talk to certain kinds of people in casinos these days. Even when I was winning they were either telling me I was lucky, meaning that it was not the system but some kind of chance as if I played randomly. Then I got those that hoped I would lose so that they could say ''I told you so'. Now I get some of the same people either asking me to borrow them some money or asking me how my strategies work. As  for the latter I don't promote my strategies in casinos. When I go to a casino I go to eat in the restaurant, win some money and get out of there.

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