Quote from: Jimske on June 21, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Are you guys ignoring COMMISSION?  I think you are.  So a break even shoe is a losing shoe!  I'm getting tire dof bringing this up.

I sent you a link to your friends book but see that you did not respond.

Quote from: alrelax on June 11, 2017, 08:40:27 AM
The guy said he has all the money he needs and he is compelled to help others. You do not have to read his material and you don't have to like it but how about letting the guy have his space and help others as he said, if they want it??  Why so derogatory? Thanks AL-RELAX

Stephen was attacked by Jimske many times as everyone can see on other threads. Then Lungyeh jumps on the band wagon. Stephen is a sponsor as others have commented and therefore has the right to promote his book. If some people don't like it then take it up with admin. alrelax, I do not think it right or fair of you to ignore this and support the attackers instigators of chaos. Supporting a charity is neither here nor there, the fact that Lungyeh supports Jimske's childish behavior is the point I believe from reading what Stephen is not happy about. So it it not helpful of you to support those that are not sticking to baccarat and gambling on this forum. Please stop it because you're making yourself look bad.

Quote from: Jimske on June 21, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Are you guys ignoring COMMISSION?  I think you are.  So a break even shoe is a losing shoe!  I'm getting tire dof bringing this up.

Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/NOR-Approach-Baccarat-Majin-Lupin-ebook/dp/B00MFY8FUQ/ref=zg_bs_4423_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=WJEBJBJJRRHW034QJNSJ

As I wrote, NOR is a complex system but when it does not work it refers to another mode or play and when that does not work it refers yet again to another mode of play therefore you need to be a computer to remember what to do.

I noticed you never came back to claim your 10k$ I offered to you if you could prove where I wrote that I bought NOR !!! 

As I wrote NOR is (or was last time I check last year) on youtube, all explained.    NOR is for old forgetful men who cannot see the wood from the trees. It is not for people that really want to win! It creates confusion and uses multiple systems to give an answer for when the shoes results change which do not support the particular system being used at the time! I know, I know, you're  angry. I don't blame you, the truth hurts, 

The Ultimate Bullet Proof Baccarat Winning Strategy, is much more straight forward and people are winning with it. Only gamblers who cannot manage their money or who stop using this system lose because they go back to their old ways!

Quote from: Jimske on June 21, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Are you guys ignoring COMMISSION?  I think you are.  So a break even shoe is a losing shoe!  I'm getting tire dof bringing this up.

A break even shoe is not a losing shoe because there will only be a few occasions when bettor will need to pay tax on bank wins. And a few unit loses for out weigh a few 5% hits on bank wins. Better to pay the tax and come out break even then be hit 3- therefore you're still in the game. In any case Jimske by reading your posts you don't want to win, you want to support your NOR mate and dreams about using a number of systems at once! Your the type of person who love his VW but when someone says there is a better car a BMW you are stuck in your ways and don't want to jump ship! 

Please feel free to ignore my comments. I probably shouldn't have commented. Just felt that discussions had been going on way too long and going nowhere on the small subject matter of a book.

Alrelax and Jimske have the one holy grail - play the shoe as it unravels before you.

My verdict and i will give you a negative review at Amazon based upon your baccarat method.
It does not matter how you twist or try to improve the method, Adulay got lucky with his test using 50 shoe that end up with +44 units.

Assume i would play a 50/50 game with out house edge - then the first 50 samples would gain +24 units and the second 50 samples -2 units and another 40 samples -1 units.
So 140 samples are equal to playing 140 shoes and you don't end up with profit.

Sorry to say but this method is not a winner and the verdict is based upon my own testing using the rules in the book.

Cheers

Here is my test of 27 live shoes played in order following the rules in the very short book.

Baelog

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Quote from: Sputnik on June 21, 2017, 03:54:25 PM
Sorry to say but this method is not a winner and the verdict is based upon my own testing using the rules in the book.

Cheers

I concur.

AD

Quote from: ADulay on June 21, 2017, 08:25:16 PM
I concur.

AD

I agree.

Quote from: Baelog on June 21, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
I agree.

emm, this is subjective. One min, someone posts that the system works and is 44+ over a number of shoes, the next min is is down over a number of shoes. Results of shoes no one on here can confirm are even real. And since it seems by reading posts regarding The Ultimate Bullet Proof Baccarat winning strategy (TUBS) that there seem to be a few on here ganging up against Stephen and his TUB, leaving neg reviews on Amazon, given the attacks on him, any reader would have to conclude that the results stated by such members are either unreliable or invented. There are also good reviews, and good feedback from other members of this site it appears, by people that are not against him or his system. emm, I'm minded to treat the attack on his system with some skepticism. One of the issues that crossed my mind is that in his system he states that you should aim for 3+ per day, but the results a few members on here are claiming are real, even if they are are continuous which TUBS advises against in his book. Therefore you clearly are not following the advise in TUBS you are picking and choosing in order to dismiss his system. The fact that you do this means that you are trying to find reasons to make it seem that it does not work. Even the results 'Baelog' give (if they are real) show wins on particular shoes. Therefore if you take these wins, or the first 3+ wins as wins per day then the system works. Who knows what results would occur on following days. Again his system advises to call it a day when 3+ and not continue to play on and on and on... Though that said 'ADulay' in checking ongoing shoes stated that TUBS worked and was 44+ !! You can't have it both ways and you can't go against his advise and then claim that TUBS does not work. I think it does work if you stick to the rules proper which include walking away 3+ in profit per day. As for the tweaking of the system, he did d that a bit, some of you put it down, but what is wrong with tweaking something if it makes it even better? If you don't follow the rules, all the rules you will never find any system useful let alone win using it. I have a feeling you really are using it to win but don't want others using it because you're afraid of admitting it is the Ultimate baccarat system. Though I might have got this all wrong.

Quote from: gizmo26 on June 22, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
emm, this is subjective. One min, someone posts that the system works and is 44+ over a number of shoes, the next min is is down over a number of shoes. Results of shoes no one on here can confirm are even real. And since it seems by reading posts regarding The Ultimate Bullet Proof Baccarat winning strategy (TUBS) that there seem to be a few on here ganging up against Stephen and his TUB, leaving neg reviews on Amazon, given the attacks on him, any reader would have to conclude that the results stated by such members are either unreliable or invented. There are also good reviews, and good feedback from other members of this site it appears, by people that are not against him or his system. emm, I'm minded to treat the attack on his system with some skepticism. One of the issues that crossed my mind is that in his system he states that you should aim for 3+ per day, but the results a few members on here are claiming are real, even if they are are continuous which TUBS advises against in his book. Therefore you clearly are not following the advise in TUBS you are picking and choosing in order to dismiss his system. The fact that you do this means that you are trying to find reasons to make it seem that it does not work. Even the results 'Baelog' give (if they are real) show wins on particular shoes. Therefore if you take these wins, or the first 3+ wins as wins per day then the system works. Who knows what results would occur on following days. Again his system advises to call it a day when 3+ and not continue to play on and on and on... Though that said 'ADulay' in checking ongoing shoes stated that TUBS worked and was 44+ !! You can't have it both ways and you can't go against his advise and then claim that TUBS does not work. I think it does work if you stick to the rules proper which include walking away 3+ in profit per day. As for the tweaking of the system, he did d that a bit, some of you put it down, but what is wrong with tweaking something if it makes it even better? If you don't follow the rules, all the rules you will never find any system useful let alone win using it. I have a feeling you really are using it to win but don't want others using it because you're afraid of admitting it is the Ultimate baccarat system. Though I might have got this all wrong.

I agree, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.I did not advise in my book to play shoe after shoe after shoe. They are not following my advise therefore I would expect them not to win.

Gentlemen,

  I believe I may have been quoted incorrectly.

  Yes, I did run a batch of 50 shoes and it turned out a +44, both under my spreadsheet macro and close enough running them MANUALLY to confirm the results.

  With that said, a +44 after 50 shoes is less than one unit per shoe and I did NOT take the commission out of those.

  I think I'll pull another 50 shoes (different dates/book) and make another run at it, just to confirm my earlier findings.

  I harbor no ill will against Stephen nor do I hate his book.  I just found that it was not for me and the style of play is not to my liking.  If it would actually make a substantial profit, I would be more enthusiastic, but for now it is merely another copy of another system play but without the good parts attached.

  AD

Recent test run of another 50 shoes.   All shoes from either Dublin Bet or the Immokalee Indian casino circa July and August of 2014.

50 shoes.  -16 units played according to the "latest rules" posted here. 

This is not looking good.

Stephen, you better get Version 3.0 published quickly! 

AD

Quote from: ADulay on June 22, 2017, 03:02:49 AM
Recent test run of another 50 shoes.   All shoes from either Dublin Bet or the Immokalee Indian casino circa July and August of 2014.

50 shoes.  -16 units played according to the "latest rules" posted here. 

This is not looking good.

Stephen, you better get Version 3.0 published quickly! 

AD

There might be a concerted attempt to discredit my strategy, a number of bad reviews from the mob! and results that no one reader on this forum can verify as being true live casino dealer baccarat shoe results. Anyone can come on and say Hey WTF I just checked 100 live shoes my great grandad saved on his shelf and guess what, yeah that's right, the TUBS system is like WTF 32- unit down. No way!! run for the hills.... yet I keep receiving emails from people saying they are winning! can't make head or tail of it all.  and countless requests for my 3rd.  but don't worry it's only psychological...    I'm not here to be liked, I'm here to help people to win. But the truth must be the truth and not backstabbing to protect a 700$ workshop in Vegas. I advise people to be happy with 3+ unit wins per day, I don't say keep playing shoe after shoe. Thus it's not complicated. Thus It must be greed, disbelief and/or the  workshop mob!

3.0 out July. I turn the house edge onto the side of the bettor with ease! 

I have the right to write my opinion and make my own conclusion.
What is this talk about a mob? i am not part of a gang who talk stuff! i am a honest person!

Cheers