So is it true, as someone has mentioned, that the 3rd edition of your book is useless without the 2nd edition? If that's the case, then I would like to be removed from the list of those members who will receive the 3rd edition, because I have no intention of buying the 2nd edition.  It's misleading for you to offer the 3rd edition for "free" if there are strings attached. You should have made it clear that this is "BOGOF" offer.

Quoteyet I keep receiving emails from people saying they are winning! can't make head or tail of it all

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence that the system works. ANY system, even if a loser, will elicit both favorable and negative reviews in the short term. Furthermore, you're more likely to receive emails from satisfied purchasers than from those who have lost. The latter won't bother to complain because they know it's pointless, and besides, it didn't cost them much. The correct way to gauge the merit of a system is to test is over a statistically significant number of decisions. The system should have no subjective elements or ambiguities; no room for "interpretation" or discretionary bets. If it does, the "system" is worthless (it's just guessing).

And to suggest that  playing "shoe after shoe after shoe" undermines the system is nonsense. How can the (or indeed, any) system be played any other way? "Quit when ahead" is one of those persistent myths so beloved by gamblers, who seem unable to comprehend just how absurdly illogical it is. If you have a real edge then playing 10 shoes one after the other will generate the same results as playing 1 shoe per day for 10 days. The edge has to be there before you start playing, it's not created by quitting when ahead.

Quote from: Sputnik on June 22, 2017, 08:19:02 AM
I have the right to write my opinion and make my own conclusion.
What is this talk about a mob? i am not part of a gang who talk stuff! i am a honest person!

Cheers

You're name was not mentioned I don't know why you think it had been. Of course you have the right to your opinion and I did not write that you were not an honest person! Take it easy man! 

Quote from: Mike on June 22, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
So is it true, as someone has mentioned, that the 3rd edition of your book is useless without the 2nd edition? If that's the case, then I would like to be removed from the list of those members who will receive the 3rd edition, because I have no intention of buying the 2nd edition.  It's misleading for you to offer the 3rd edition for "free" if there are strings attached. You should have made it clear that this is "BOGOF" offer.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence that the system works. ANY system, even if a loser, will elicit both favorable and negative reviews in the short term. Furthermore, you're more likely to receive emails from satisfied purchasers than from those who have lost. The latter won't bother to complain because they know it's pointless, and besides, it didn't cost them much. The correct way to gauge the merit of a system is to test is over a statistically significant number of decisions. The system should have no subjective elements or ambiguities; no room for "interpretation" or discretionary bets. If it does, the "system" is worthless (it's just guessing).

And to suggest that  playing "shoe after shoe after shoe" undermines the system is nonsense. How can the (or indeed, any) system be played any other way? "Quit when ahead" is one of those persistent myths so beloved by gamblers, who seem unable to comprehend just how absurdly illogical it is. If you have a real edge then playing 10 shoes one after the other will generate the same results as playing 1 shoe per day for 10 days. The edge has to be there before you start playing, it's not created by quitting when ahead.

who wrote you have to get 2nd book to understand 3rd?

re stopping when ahead, you got this wrong, ask any day trader, they will tell you that you HAVE TO STOP WHEN AHEAD. Gambling works the same as spread betting does. One must stop when ahead. It is as simple as that. Gamblers lose because they don't stop.

B.

Quote from: Mike on June 22, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
So is it true, as someone has mentioned, that the 3rd edition of your book is useless without the 2nd edition? If that's the case, then I would like to be removed from the list of those members who will receive the 3rd edition, because I have no intention of buying the 2nd edition.  It's misleading for you to offer the 3rd edition for "free" if there are strings attached. You should have made it clear that this is "BOGOF" offer.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence that the system works. ANY system, even if a loser, will elicit both favorable and negative reviews in the short term. Furthermore, you're more likely to receive emails from satisfied purchasers than from those who have lost. The latter won't bother to complain because they know it's pointless, and besides, it didn't cost them much. The correct way to gauge the merit of a system is to test is over a statistically significant number of decisions. The system should have no subjective elements or ambiguities; no room for "interpretation" or discretionary bets. If it does, the "system" is worthless (it's just guessing).

And to suggest that  playing "shoe after shoe after shoe" undermines the system is nonsense. How can the (or indeed, any) system be played any other way? "Quit when ahead" is one of those persistent myths so beloved by gamblers, who seem unable to comprehend just how absurdly illogical it is. If you have a real edge then playing 10 shoes one after the other will generate the same results as playing 1 shoe per day for 10 days. The edge has to be there before you start playing, it's not created by quitting when ahead.

I have a book that claim he place 60.000 bets with 1.7% house edge and 90% of times being ahead.
Also add reversals to that when you get more then a second chance to stay ahead of quit even.

Mike do you even know how such test is made, see my past reply from the book i suggest.
I could fix a digital copy for you and save you 100 Euro - if you want to read it.

There is several casino games with house edge below 1.7%.

Cheers

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 22, 2017, 11:18:51 AM
who wrote you have to get 2nd book to understand 3rd?

scaldecat said so. So it's not true?

Quote
re stopping when ahead, you got this wrong, ask any day trader, they will tell you that you HAVE TO STOP WHEN AHEAD. Gambling works the same as spread betting does. One must stop when ahead. It is as simple as that. Gamblers lose because they don't stop.

Day traders don't quit when they're ahead. They enter a trade when an opportunity arises and quit when circumstances are no longer favorable. That's not the same as creating an edge by quitting when ahead, which makes no sense. If a shoe presents favorable opportunities then you play, in which case you may well be playing "shoe after shoe after shoe". Do you see the difference?

Quote from: Sputnik on June 22, 2017, 02:22:42 PM
Mike do you even know how such test is made, see my past reply from the book i suggest.
I could fix a digital copy for you and save you 100 Euro - if you want to read it.

Sputnik,

I'm not sure what test you're talking about thanks for the offer. If I had the book I could do my own tests. So are you saying that Stephen's system is based on the same premise as that given in that book you mention? In which case why have your tests shown a negative result?

Quote from: alrelax on June 22, 2017, 12:08:54 PM
Steve why are you fighting and sparring with these people why don't you just let you work stand for what it is if you believe in it and those that believe in it will support it in my opinion.

It's not a question of fighting and sparring, but a question of EVIDENCE. Stephen has given no evidence that the system wins, other than his own claims and "testimonials" from a few others, which, as you have admitted yourself, are biased.

If it was just a question of "believing" in a system for it to actually work then the casinos would have gone out of business, lol.

Mike i am not saying that Tablone's strategy is based upon same principals. Mike i respect you and will send you a PM and when the times come and i visit London to play, maybe we could meet up :-)
I have no idea how he come to the conclusion to reach +3 units as win target and a loss limit with -6 units.

The book i am using as reference when i develop methods is based upon significant statistics that is free for any one to twist or apply in any given situation using any kind of strategy.
And as all selections method is the same no matter any given combination, so is the significant statistics in the book the truth about what expectation you can have after placing 60.000 placed bets with a house edge around 1.7% or lower.

Cheers

Quote from: Mike on June 22, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
scaldecat said so. So it's not true?

Day traders don't quit when they're ahead. They enter a trade when an opportunity arises and quit when circumstances are no longer favorable. That's not the same as creating an edge by quitting when ahead, which makes no sense. If a shoe presents favorable opportunities then you play, in which case you may well be playing "shoe after shoe after shoe". Do you see the difference?

1. 3rd covers 2nd system but there may not be all advise in 3rd as in 2nd, though since 3rd in based on 2nd then answer is yes, it does contain all that it needs to in that respect. But as I wrote not all basic advise which still is relevant.

2. I see your point with day trading in that it could run away in your favor therefore gain a lot more than you expected. Of course a stock, or currency can have what we in the biz call "big moves" whereas baccarat does not in the sense that progression is slow and the game is very tight 50/50 what of course you can also get to see long moves in your favor that would get you up say even 10+ unit wins ahead. The central idea you is when you've made your money, or made lets say some money whatever that 'some' is okay with you (bacc v spread betting) then it makes sense to TAKE the money, take the profit. Unless you take the profit while you have it the game could and often does change and you will lose it again. But I get your point Mike and I agree with most of what you write.

Quote from: Mike on June 22, 2017, 02:30:54 PM
Sputnik,

I'm not sure what test you're talking about thanks for the offer. If I had the book I could do my own tests. So are you saying that Stephen's system is based on the same premise as that given in that book you mention? In which case why have your tests shown a negative result?

Quote from: Mike on June 22, 2017, 02:36:45 PM
It's not a question of fighting and sparring, but a question of EVIDENCE. Stephen has given no evidence that the system wins, other than his own claims and "testimonials" from a few others, which, as you have admitted yourself, are biased.

If it was just a question of "believing" in a system for it to actually work then the casinos would have gone out of business, lol.

Yes Mike you are correct I am not fighting with anyone. I'm only defending my ideas. I love debate. I don't have any idea why some people think this is a fight. I'm happy to answer any baccarat related questions but I really just ignore chat about most other things because we just get side tracked.

A.

Quote from: Sputnik on June 22, 2017, 02:41:19 PM
Mike i am not saying that Tablone's strategy is based upon same principals. Mike i respect you and will send you a PM and when the times come and i visit London to play, maybe we could meet up :-)
I have no idea how he come to the conclusion to reach +3 units as win target and a loss limit with -6 units.

The book i am using as reference when i develop methods is based upon significant statistics that is free for any one to twist or apply in any given situation using any kind of strategy.
And as all selections method is the same no matter any given combination, so is the significant statistics in the book the truth about what expectation you can have after placing 60.000 placed bets with a house edge around 1.7% or lower.

Cheers

Hi, Sputnik! how are you?
On other posts we tweaked the strategy a little bit. it's get out at 3- worse ways, and on shoes where it floats 1- 2- bck to break even and down again and back, it's get out at break even. Therefore unit wins or loses over the long run of testing mnay shoes will end up different. Nothing wrong in a little tweak.

Stephen Tabone i can run 100 real baccarat shoes and post both results and the particular shoes if you help me how to improve the strategy beyond what you wrote in the book (second edition).

This is how i understand the original rules in your book and posted at this topic.

1) You main aim is to reach +3 units win target and then continue to push for more (if we play 100 shoes or more) and if we fail we stop at +2 units if not getting higher results.
2) When we reach 35 to 40 hands and not reach our win target we aim to cut loses short and break even or stop at -1 -2 -3 units.
3) If we not reach rule (2) then we aim to reach win target +3 units or hit loss limit -6 units.

Is that correct or is it more to it ?

Cheers