Al wants 1000 euros for it. I had no intention of buying it but was curious how much he wanted.

I then offered to code it into a nice GUI app which he could offer on a free trial basis. If people had a chance to try it and it did everything he says it does then members would be queuing up to buy. He declined the offer. I wonder why? 

BUSTED! 

My advice - NEVER pay for any system. These guys prey on the vulnerable and gullible. They have no scruples whatsoever. The question they can never give a plausible answer to is "why are you selling it?". Nuff said.

Your talking about albalaha right?

Correct. And see how he's reduced to posting casino affiliate links in the other thread. That's desperation. 

All he has to do is actually play the system he's trying to sell, instead he scratches around on forums trying to hoodwink the gullible into paying 1000 euros for it.

It's not rocket science, draw your own conclusions.

Alright.  Thx for that conformation. I've been hearing nothing but bad news about that guy. Good that you made this public.

Givery me an S
Give me an C
Give me an A
etc....

As a marketing people, I have a suggestion for anyone who try to sell/offer/prove something.

It would be good if you could show some evidence, like your casino account. As in B&M Casino it's hard to do so, it easier if you open an account at any online casino. They usually have "statement". I once posted mine here.

It's not because you have to prove anything to anyone, but IMO it's a boost for your sales. After all, you try to make a sales, isn't it?

The price is subjective. Any seller have the right to sell his product/service/method at any price.

IMO it's a little bit unwise to label every seller as "scam". They don't force you to buy. They believe their goods/product/method is the best. It's all natural.

If they have "some" reputation before, well.....idk. Still, the choice is yours.

Not a bad idea. Of course about the reputation that's another story. Better believe the ones you trust. For example KAV have beef with Steve. You should see how Kav try so hard to bring Steve down. So do you know Kav personally?  Maybe he's actually right. Who knows.

I just mean only judge the ones your sure about. Myself I sell nothing so don't worry. Lol. But I can say I don't trust ALBAHALA or KAV. And I've got very good reasons for that.

I agree with Denzie about Kav and Al, but Steve still seems a bit slippery.

In the 1970s, there were entire corporations set up with full-time employees to clock wheels. The high-level organization was there simply because it was a very lucrative opportunity.......which still exists in some form today.

Steve appears to be talking out of both sides of his mouth........one minute, he's selling a new device/system........the next he's saying he doesn't have enough time to handle all of the users of these devices/software.

Not to mention the elephant in the room...........not 1 single member has claimed to use these "devices/software" successfully for profit long-term (or short-term for that matter).

So we are to believe that not 1 member was curious enough to try this out. I'd love to be proven wrong........but this just looks bad.

Quote from: TheLaw on June 30, 2016, 07:35:03 PM
I agree with Denzie about Kav and Al, but Steve still seems a bit slippery.

In the 1970s, there were entire corporations set up with full-time employees to clock wheels. The high-level organization was there simply because it was a very lucrative opportunity.......which still exists in some form today.

Steve appears to be talking out of both sides of his mouth........one minute, he's selling a new device/system........the next he's saying he doesn't have enough time to handle all of the users of these devices/software.

Not to mention the elephant in the room...........not 1 single member has claimed to use these "devices/software" successfully for profit long-term (or short-term for that matter).

So we are to believe that not 1 member was curious enough to try this out. I'd love to be proven wrong........but this just looks bad.

Agree, there does seem to be something we are all missing here.

Hey don't worry about  Albahala. He has a good shot with his new casino affiliation promotion business!!!!!! We might soon see him on online casino ads promoting betvoyager.....everyone has to make a living you know

Quote from: Tomla on July 01, 2016, 02:37:07 AM
Hey don't worry about  Albahala. He has a good shot with his new casino affiliation promotion business!!!!!! We might soon see him on online casino ads promoting betvoyager.....everyone has to make a living you know

........by hook or by crook!!!

QuoteThe price of say Euro 1000 may look very huge to anyone but it is so to avoid cheap people like Jake who wants to get it for free so that he can sell it to others

LOL. Is that the best you can do?

The truth is, Albalaha wants to size up prospective buyers before he sets the price. He's only interested in selling to those who have more money than sense.

And of course the starting bankroll is largely irrelevant because if his system actually delivered what he says it does then you could play for pennies online and build up your bankroll. The only reason he doesn't want "poor" people is because they can't afford what he's asking for it.

QuoteThere was although an interesting question from one such kids, "if my method works, why I am selling that"? My answer is, why did Thorp sold his innovation of "card counting" in a cheap bool knowing well it works and works for sure? Answer is real simple: to earn name, fame and much more money than one player can earn himself.

Hilarious delusions of grandeur. Then why not put your system into a cheap book and sell it on Amazon if what you're looking for is name and fame? Why ask 1000 euros?

Don't fall for this BS folks, keep the scammers hungry!

I don't really know if there is anything similar here (), but something comes to mind of 'easy money' in the way of selling/retail.  The seller choose not to deliver cars that he was the recipient of bank loans for and the other cars he did deliver, but only one little problem, he did not have the titles for them they were consigned.  Although a few people were able to bring the cars out of state and get new fresh titles on them because in certain states if you buy a car legitimately from a licensed car dealer with no knowledge that anything is owed on it, that act takes precedent over the previous financing and encumbered title.  But anyway, this all comes to mind with buyer/seller transactions. 

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/fbi_hunting_for_nj_car_dealer_accused_of_fraud.html


As far as Thorp goes, it is not a mechanical 'sure bet' system by any means, at times it might work and at other times it might not.  There is no guarantee.
 
Same thing in baccarat with progressions, money management and wagering triggers.  Plains and simple, no two ways about it.

geez I don't think his trying to sell untitled cars  or anything that illegal Aerolax but it is a BUYER BEWARE situation on this money monger as most that know him well think.....


maybe nick or Victor will say that his system works?

Quote from: alrelax on July 01, 2016, 12:01:02 PM

As far as Thorp goes, it is not a mechanical 'sure bet' system by any means, at times it might work and at other times it might not.  There is no guarantee.
 
Same thing in baccarat with progressions, money management and wagering triggers.  Plains and simple, no two ways about it.

Good point.  Their APPROACH is NOT mechanical.  It also requires the player to make a judgment on how much to bet.  The player may bet one amount on a certain count and probably will bet a different amount on the exact same count on another day.   Does anyone know the exact winning figure?  A few years ago, I did some research but not sure now reliable those sources are.  If I could remember correctly, they deploy about 60 players and they won x amount.  When I did the math, each person earned way less than 6 figures a year.  They probably make more getting a job with less stress.   While the wins they posted on weekends and overall wins were impressive, others have done similar perhaps by only luck.  Also according to certain sources, they were wagering large amounts the win isn't all that impressive.  It is overall impressive when you think that they end up winning instead of losing over all the years.  Most of the guys end up making more money working and starting their own business.

I believe that the APPROACH is the only way to win.  Players shouldn't expect to win crazy amounts either.  Unless you're consistently trying to use a progression to end a streak or pattern, I find it very difficult to keep track of where you are in the progression.  This is why I deploy the same approach as the MIT guys.  As far as bet selection goes, I also have triggers.  I did some research and most sources pointed out there there were not a lot of triggers even when counting cards.  The hardest part to implement is patiently waiting for those few trigger hands.  If you can't wait for them and just bet, that's where you will get in trouble.  I don't know if I'm being delusion on the matter of trigger handS but they served me well.  Notice I capitalize the "S".   Like card counters in BJ, they will not know the exact hand to bet large.  They just know the time when the count is good and they rely on the STRETCH that the count is good over several hands and not just one hand.  In order to make money on those stretch before the count change, you will need money to overcome.  NO FLAT BET WILL WIN YOU GAMES (Many have claim that they can do it but none have dared to show some proof).


I usually lose when I can't wait for those triggers.  The ability to wait for them, bet accordingly without getting too distracted is amazingly hard to do.

Quote from: Babu on July 01, 2016, 05:50:42 PM
Good point.  Their APPROACH is NOT mechanical.  It also requires the player to make a judgment on how much to bet.  The player may bet one amount on a certain count and probably will bet a different amount on the exact same count on another day.   Does anyone know the exact winning figure?  A few years ago, I did some research but not sure now reliable those sources are.  If I could remember correctly, they deploy about 60 players and they won x amount.  When I did the math, each person earned way less than 6 figures a year.  They probably make more getting a job with less stress.   While the wins they posted on weekends and overall wins were impressive, others have done similar perhaps by only luck.  Also according to certain sources, they were wagering large amounts the win isn't all that impressive.  It is overall impressive when you think that they end up winning instead of losing over all the years.  Most of the guys end up making more money working and starting their own business.

I believe that the APPROACH is the only way to win.  Players shouldn't expect to win crazy amounts either.  Unless you're consistently trying to use a progression to end a streak or pattern, I find it very difficult to keep track of where you are in the progression.  This is why I deploy the same approach as the MIT guys.  As far as bet selection goes, I also have triggers.  I did some research and most sources pointed out there there were not a lot of triggers even when counting cards.  The hardest part to implement is patiently waiting for those few trigger hands.  If you can't wait for them and just bet, that's where you will get in trouble.  I don't know if I'm being delusion on the matter of trigger handS but they served me well.  Notice I capitalize the "S".   Like card counters in BJ, they will not know the exact hand to bet large.  They just know the time when the count is good and they rely on the STRETCH that the count is good over several hands and not just one hand.  In order to make money on those stretch before the count change, you will need money to overcome.  NO FLAT BET WILL WIN YOU GAMES (Many have claim that they can do it but none have dared to show some proof).


I usually lose when I can't wait for those triggers.  The ability to wait for them, bet accordingly without getting too distracted is amazingly hard to do.

It is the same exact thing in a legitimate service business.  Emergency work Vs. Bided work, regular client that will pay no questions asked within 7 to 10 days after the job is complete Vs. say an insurance company for an insured that will take 3 to 6 months to pay after invoice audit and extended negations to wear down the business personnel, etc.  Tactic employed like those work!  Sucks.  The same job with a 70% profit margin and 5 day payment agreement will also be your next 10% profit job (if lucky) after waiting 5 months for payment and having $40k or more laid out (Out of Pocket Expenses) to get the job complete.  Same thing, no different in gambling.  Oh, lord, how about those invoices no one will pay even with a law suit, a judgment paper is still worthless against almost all people that refuse to pay in the business world.