You have more important things to worry about in the next days than the chip sizes in your game:
Betforum.cc is to be forcefully expelled from servers of Rica Web Services in the next few days.
Read this topic from start to finish. To the last post:
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/personal-and-family-privacy-violations-are-serious-matters/
Here are thus forewarned, so do not say that the user wannawin is the bad one for reporting the actions of betforum administrator, and I went under the ropes without warning. They are the same users who read here and there.
See if you start using your community decisions to talk about the important topic of personal privacy respect in your forum to add to your rules.
As well as being very careful about violations of privacy which Wannawin has quite rightly drawn to our attention, I sincerely hope those reading this will also be reminded of the risks involved in libel.
There ARE consequencies for that as well.
Libel, for those with short memories, is defined as "a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person"
On several occasions I've had to warn members about writing unsubstantiated accusations against others.
Quote from: wannawin on April 25, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
You have more important things to worry about in the next days than the chip sizes in your game:
Betforum.cc is to be forcefully expelled from servers of Rica Web Services in the next few days.
Read this topic from start to finish. To the last post:
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/personal-and-family-privacy-violations-are-serious-matters/ (http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/personal-and-family-privacy-violations-are-serious-matters/)
Wannawin.You simply lack Locus Standi to do any complain to anyone on the behalf of anybody unless you get a power of attorney/authorization by Victor. :no:
Ignore things is the best medicin.
Have a nice day :-)
Quote from: wannawin on April 24, 2014, 06:09:22 AMService providers are in Quebec, Canada.
More service provider news.Triggered by my report the legal department of Rica Web Services has updated their terms of service to expel betforum.cc without entailing further liabilities to them.
Serious companies have access to paid lawyers who advice them how to protect their interests. I already did due diligence to search archive.org plus google cache and there is truly no mention of "gambling related websites" prior to this.
First time I make a company change its terms! Unfortunately I see that betselection.cc is also served by them: http://www.whoishostingthis.com/?q=betselection.cc So the possibility is this website will be discharged soon due to the new updated terms.
I do not know if Victor has money available for hiring a new server immediately and if it affects operations here I apologize fairly for starting all this.
The good thing is that the legal system works. Only one complaint from a normal citizen and actions are taken. Nobody enjoys special privileges in these matters.
Quote from: Albalaha on April 25, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
Wannawin.You simply lack Locus Standi to do any complain to anyone on the behalf of anybody unless you get a power of attorney/authorization by Victor. :no:
Albalaha, you would know the legal system where you exercise your profession, but in the rest of legal systems the authorities must act upon what is called to their attention when verified there is ill. Regardless of who makes the complaint
Quote from: Sputnik on April 25, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
Ignore things is the best medicin.
Have a nice day :-)
Very nice, in this way surely we will all leave our legacy of a better world for our children.
Wannawin,
Vic is an intelligent man knowing his rights and doesn't need anyone acting in his behalf. You learned nothing from Vic's posts about moving forward.
I do not understand what is your (legal) interest in this.
If you want to leave a better world to your kids go plant a tree instead of messing with other peoples affairs and probably making matters worse for the community and even for this forum.
You seem to get great pleasure from this unfortunate situation for the community.
Quote from: Kav on April 25, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
Wannawin,
Vic is an intelligent man knowing his rights and doesn't need anyone acting in his behalf. You learned nothing from Vic's posts about moving forward.
I do not understand what is your (legal) interest in this.
If you want to leave a better world to your kids go plant a tree instead of messing with other peoples affairs and probably making matters worse for the community and even for this forum.
You seem to get great pleasure from this unfortunate situation for the community.
I agree with you Kav ...
Me too.....Who give you rights interfering in other ppl.issues.....Reminds me of my neighbour lawyer that sued all dog owners in our street....
Quote from: Kav on April 25, 2014, 05:23:17 PMI do not understand what is your (legal) interest in this.
I saw a clear violation of privacy when reading about expectation of privacy in the messages and did my bit.
It would take maybe 10 minutes of action in total in finding the site of the provider "Rica" and then send an email to the abuse department with a link.
Quote from: Kav on April 25, 2014, 05:23:17 PMIf you want to leave a better world to your kids go plan a tree instead of messing with other peoples affairs and probably making matters worse for the community and even for this forum.
In any given year I plant more trees than you could imagine.
I am not a fortune teller and could not foresee they were going to change the terms of service which could affect here.
Maybe for you it is bad what I did and makes matters worse to act on abuses. To me this is improvement and I think any sensible person will agree.
Quote from: Kav on April 25, 2014, 05:23:17 PMYou seem to get great pleasure from this unfortunate situation for the community.
Not pleasure, sometimes what I get is grief to see I may be the only one who sees things in normal standards many times.
By the way right now this site is still hosted by Rica Web Services:
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How many days of outage would be reasonable to expect if the new terms of service are affecting operations?
QuoteReminds me of my neighbour lawyer that sued all dog owners in our street....
Here, the condition is much more worse. It is like living in London and suing dog owners of a street of Tokyo. Wannawin is acting like a savior for Victor, while he is actually causing troubles for him. Why doesn't he does the same complain about Steve too? It is pertinent to mention that the topics which had all the mess have been deleted from all over (both by Steve and Stef). So, we better forget about pelting stone in the mud that will make things dirtier for all.
There is still peace and harmony among the common members of both forums. Let's try to preserve that.
Quote from: Albalaha on April 26, 2014, 01:34:27 AMThere is still peace and harmony among the common members of both forums. Let's try to preserve that.
Great post. truly what matters. We agree on the need to preserve these above all.
Time to move away from over reactions. I did over react too but now I know that a community is like a family. There are some naughty members who fight and abuse each other. Still, we are together, in one way or other. Avoid talking personal matters in public forums.
Very wise words dear Sumit :nod:
Guys, don't worry about server move. We should have it covered gracefully.
On my side I'm glad things are flowing towards mutual harmony with good will validating we're all showing maturity for moving this to the past where it belongs so we can build a brighter future in respect of each other.
Let's coexist in peace,
Vic
All right people. After this post I shall return to the normal publications of methods and other informations I do, although some are of the belief that wannawin is a very bad poster and a nosy. they have let me know that already. But I can not turn the page without comment on some things, even obvious things.
And excuse me Victor if you do not want to continue, let me say my last things I have thought of this character who there is no need to say the name more.
He should hang his face in shame if after he talked about you so bad he dreams of being like you. Earning his life from Internet community members. And the greatest irony would be that he was not being honest from the start and he seek a living in the Internet like you, before all this. And not depend on having more a job, after all his haha mocks about him having a job to afford things. I can imagine him to be struggling every day by making efforts to be right as you are now.
I am very nasty-minded about things like this. "Think wrong and be right" goes the saying. Would not be the first time I hit. It always makes me suspicious when someone hates to be compared with another. And the more it bothers him, the more it seems to me it is because he wants to be like it. Happens a lot with movie stars receiving criticism from budding actors: "That bad actor", "the cats pajamas, big deal what they do, I do better," and the like. The more hatred by the comparison, is because they feel more envious for the success and for what it is seen the other to be capable of achieving.
It is that the same people itself closes doors for themselves. Now this guy can not read your code nor use your ideas ever, not to be embarrassed in front of the same people who he turns against you. The comparison is automatic. Just like Victor did, copied it from Victor's product, Victor's idea. Imagine it as the recognition for who he calls an a**. if one is not able to create what an a** does then one is an a** x2
Whoever said you are only good for making up nice stories but that's it, with each release of your programmes you will be making him shut up his mouth.
My prediction is in line with that of Archie, in a couple years you will be a successful worker in the Internet, and this man will continue to say "yes boss".
Or even if he can make a living online, and says it publicly, it is immediate the comparison: "look, does just as he criticized so harshly in Victor", "Following exactly the same steps as he bitterly mocked" that hypocritical and other comparisons like that.
He will know if he fits the title of hypocrite to himself. I draw my own conclusions when he requires members to obey laws he writes and he does not comply.
That is his consciousness and life. And I really do have every intention that I am not going to say more after this thread, but I need to vent it all to terminate this and start writing about other things.
It is okay to post it here for the consideration of others who may think alike. I have also received words of encouragement after this, even by members with much more trajectory than myself , for which I am grateful and happy to know I am not alone in my thinking. Only maybe others do not want to risk pointing the obvious in public and I am the voice of many more so I speak more calmly at the memory.
In this world where mathematics and statistics are searched in 1 minute on google and wikipedia, where professional players keep silent on what they do to win exactly, and absolutely everything that is discussed in public is a loser in the long run. To members all we have left to decide a forum over another is the atmosphere by the forum rules ensuring considerate treatment to members, the forum features that are in place to help the discussion and because things are like their owners, the administrator to be in line with what one expects.
Without standards any administrator and forum is seen as very good, but put a little standards to filter out to less as we ask each best rules by which to abide, better features and better human quality from the administrator.
Personally I think we are on the winning horse with BetSelection. Those who left have confidence that their site manager and his forum is better than the one here, but it is to be decided over time and achievements.
I have no doubt that Victor is wiser and better programmer in his personal capacity and that here we will always have some sensible rules for the proper development of the discussion.
There are small causes that one is passionate about and small rewards that make one feel worthwhile for others even a little. I give the case closed and no more would I think about it, because the facts tell the truth to everyone. I close this thread.
Good for you, Wannawin.
You have seen the principle involved in this vexed issue and you have worked hard to expose it to scrutiny -- as it should have been.
And that takes courage, especially when others subject you to unpleasant remarks because they either fail to see the principle involved, or don't give a stuff about it anyway.
Loyalty. Sadly, that's a word we hear so little about these days. And it's not something that's taught. It's part of a person's character.
So it's especially good to see you are a loyal member of the forum, who shows loyalty to Victor, loyalty to your principles, and who demonstrates integrity.
The forum is fortunate to have you as a member.
Thanks esoito. Sometimes listening to those men with a normal mind and see their over-reactions is quite pitiful.
That the man who lives in the third world with a wife and child to support and just lost the job is seeking money. Oh! It's not natural. It is the big shock, the big family greed.
If public links were posted that anyone in the world can see and publish without permission, is the great conspiracy.
And their lack of reaction on other issues that do deserve attention.