It appeared that I had could not play some of the different types of mutually exclusive bets to generate a number.

This now appears as though it was some kind of glitch because I have had no problems since that particular game.

Please ignore the 'alert' warning!

cheers.

Thank you for posting this.  I feel this is to discourage robots.

No worries Sam.

I got the first three spins for free and then it took it on the fourth spin.

Merry xmas Betvoyager 

Seems like there trying anything in there power to stop the bots.

Bally

I hope this fits on your thread.

I know precious little about this SHA thing that Bet Voyager claims proves their numbers are random.  Could anyone explain it?  How do we know, like I know I have two hands, that this thing is totally up front?  Can it be manipulated?

The reason I ask this is I know a man who developed a system with BVNZ and won steadily for over two thousand bets placed.  Not spins, but bets placed.  He was up 2,000 units and went to real money.  His system tanked immediately.

Another fellow programmed a bot and went some 100,000 spins or more and won a large sum.  He then went to real money and the thing tanked. 

Something I've noticed from my own play is the first session I win.  After that, all downhill.  Over and over and over again.

Now, all this could just be random doing her thing.

Or is it?

Sam

Hello Sam

I can't really answer your questions. I suppose Bayes, Superman or Ralph would have a better technical knowledge of the randomness control feature and could give a good explanation.

I just play there to test my ideas and get comfortable playing them because I can take as long as I want. It is as close to a real casino experience I can get apart from dublinbet I suppose.

It kind of reminds me of that old story where the father says to his son about betting against a playing card squirting water in his eye (or something along those lines, lol)

Nothing would surprise me!

You would think however that it would be impossible for them to let you win like some of the other casinos do in play mode IF this randomness control feature is genuine. It should play out just the same in play mode or for real. Systems win and systems lose. I can still picture in my mind some of the charts that members used to post up on Gamblers Glen where a system had a line going up to the sky only to come crashing back down again and then plummet to the bottom of the ocean. (I always wonder why guys just don't reverse the bet in this case or is that too simple an answer)

I am bloviating Sam! no idea mate. You can't beat a real wheel!

cheers

Bally

Once when I worked on washing machines a lady told me the "factory serviceman" told her he could not fix her machine properly unless she signed up to buy soap from them.  I thought that was totally a lie!

One the other side of town, a second lady told me the same story. 

When I hear the exact same story from two people who don't even know each other, I begin to believe it.

Maybe I'm just looking for the Boogey Man this morning!!      On Christmas at that!!

Sam

RNG "can" cheat you, if it wishes. Betvoyager's table limit from 1 cent to Euro 1000 on EC bet i.e. 100k times clearly indicates its trust over the capability to twist and turn things in its favor whenever it feels like.

I played today on BVNZ and no problems with "mutually exclusive bets". As to systems winning in fun mode and tanking in real play i think its quite normal. Its usual to be up in testing after relatively large number of spins and experience a downturn.

Test with pennies, we use to win at the beginning and then lose. it's a quite normal thing with most of the methods. I did  more than 10000 spins using a EC method during christmas, got 5000 units plus (1 cents units). It could have been an other series of number making me lose as well.  Progressive methods push the losing away, but is heavier when it comes.

ok... well I tested the same bet today in fun mode and had no problem with it!

Strange! Maybe it was just a glitch on that particular game I played.

I will edit my first post in this thread.

cheers

Quote from: Ralph on December 27, 2012, 02:15:32 PM
I did  more than 10000 spins using a EC method during christmas, got 5000 units plus

What are you saying here Ralph?

That you tested 10,000 spins and hit 75% on the even chances! 

I must be misunderstanding you.

QuoteI know precious little about this SHA thing that Bet Voyager claims proves their numbers are random.  Could anyone explain it?  How do we know, like I know I have two hands, that this thing is totally up front?  Can it be manipulated?

QuoteI suppose Bayes, Superman or Ralph would have a better technical knowledge of the randomness control feature and could give a good explanation

Here we go then, the SHA key is generated from the next set of numbers (and a code word generated by the server), once the key is generated there is no way they can change that set of numbers, they could watch what you are doing and generate the next set to try and kill you off if they really wanted to but I seriousley doubt it, they know as well as we know, random will be sufficient to kill you off all on its own.

You must remember you can alter how many numbers are generated at each time, between 1 and 60 last time I looked, I have done extensive tests asking for 1 number ata  atime right up to sets of 60, there's nothing specific to point fingers at.

It's always funny when casinos win, people automatically think the were cheated out of the chips, look at the thread now about airball, someone loses they jump on a forum saying the platform cheats.

I've been playing at BV for the last 4 weeks, haven't lost a session yet, go figure

You are right, Superman, about your last statements.  We all look for  hiding behind a tree.

But let's flip the pancake over.  I kinda trust your posts.  If you posted that you developed a system and played it for 100,000 spins and it showed great promise and then you went to real money and never once got above the even-water mark--well, I'd believe you.  These other fellows are just as trustworthy.  Frankly, I don't know what to believe!

You win.  Ophis wins.  Ralph wins way too much.  Sometimes I even win!

What I saw was this:  I played Turner's "Touching Numbers" system flat betting with pennies.  I then went to a mild progression with pennies.  All was well.  Then I went to dimes and never got another winner--period!  I changed the SHA to 60 and set the drop-down number-changer several times.  No win. 

Sure "seems" like the system tanked at the most opportune time for BV!!

Thanks for your answer.

Sam

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 27, 2012, 02:35:35 PM

What are you saying here Ralph?

That you tested 10,000 spins and hit 75% on the even chances! 

I must be misunderstanding you.

I did more maybe a lot more than 10000 spins, the session was old and had some spins before, it says 17005 spins now, and I have not yet ended it.


I can win more than one units, the method go up two units on loss, and down 1 units on win.  Restart when you think it is going high.


If I win the second I win more than if I win the first. 


I got good numbers for long time.