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COINCIDENCE, the theory.
« on: October 15, 2018, 10:57:40 AM »
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  • Cambridge English Dictionary

    coincidence definition:
    1. an occasion when two or more similar things happen at the same time,
    especially in a way that is unlikely and surprising:
    2. chance or luck:
    3. an occasion when two or more things ...

     Hi,
     Say, every morning , when you walk toward your workplace,
    you cross path with the sweet young girl....,

     that's not coincidence,
     because you deliberately timed your walking pace to
     coincide to cross path with her...

    Say, one day,
    while at a traffic light, you see a Honda stoping at the red light,
    followed by a Toyata, then a VW, and a Chevy. ..

    Then, the next day, at around the same time, at the same red,
    traffic light, you noticed, a Honda, Toyota, VW, and a Chevy...
    Wow!
    What a coincidence!

    Will the next day, at the same time and traffic light,
    the same sequence of Honda,Toyota, VW, Chevy....happen again?

    Or, after a few day passed, at that traffic light, you see a Honda,
    then a Toyota happen to stop behind it...
    then...will the next car be a VW...
    then followed by a ...Chevy?

    Now, all the mathboys and experts shrieking. .
    ."The probability still the same, no matter what!"

    Of course the probability, remain the same...

    But the question, is, will the COINCIDENCE ,
    meet with the same COINCIDENCE ..again?

    It same like coincidentally, wise,
     will "red" hit 100 time in the next 100 spins..?
    (.the probability is 50/50 minus green , shriek the mathboys...)

    the REDS hit 10in row, then 10in row again,
     that 20red, is coincidence, but for coincidence of "10-in-row",
    to hit ten of 10in row, is just impossible!

     or will the green zero, hit 10 in row?
    (the probability 1/37, again, shriek the mathboys)
    zero hit twice, is coincidence, hit 3, is coincidence of coincidence,
    4 is rare, but 10in row?

    Mathboys. .. say.."yes!"
    But in coincidence theory,
     it may not hit in your life time, because it highly unlikely...

    likewise,


     in next 12spin, DS, you see six different ds hit, then another six different ds hit,
    will next 6spins produce six different ds....again?!
     (again, the mathboys shrieking, its 1/6 minus zero!!!!)
    BUT THE COINCIDENCE HIGHLY UNLIKELY! or never in your lifetime...

    or if you see dozen..123, then 123again, then....will next be 123...again?

    if we wanna win, after all the lung collapsing debating with the mathboys...
    we should think in term of coincidence vs coincidence term..

    .this is where the "probability of coincidence", a different perspective setting.


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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 02:28:54 PM »
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  • Interesting idea beat-the-wheel

    FYI, this was copied over to rouletteforum so you may have some replies there as well

    https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20875.0


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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2018, 09:24:03 AM »
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  • BTW,

    Ignorance does not excuse error, and error is inevitable from any supposition risen from the absence of immutable facts. Roulette is game surrounded by such facts and cannot be pushed aside either by emotion or notion.

    Your whole argument is built on a vague notion of a conceptual experience by the human mind known as coincidence. Applying a modus operandi in roulette from a point of view of such a hypothesis that something unlikely to happen, might in some way serve the gambler on the roulette table, is most certainly doomed to fail.

    Mathematics, as well as some knowledge in rudimentary physics of objects in motion,  would serve such a gambler way better when it comes to placing bets on a wheel.

    If you lack insight in the above mentioned, then at least play the wheel once you have seen a sector on the wheel forming up from a specific dealer and play said sector (max 11 slots wide) at least three times in a row. If you hit one time u have a small profit (chance 29,72%), if you hit it two times then consider quitting and go home as you�ve managed to make a nice little profit on a minimum of risked units (3x11u).

    This is the only advice I can give you when approaching the wheel of a Landbased Casino and play B&M style.

    All beings are born and steeped in debt. I know of no creature that negates this fact. The commodity they bought with borrowed means, is life, and the price for its duration, be it good or bad, is death.

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 10:18:13 PM »
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  • Thanks stingbeanpc, and Magician

    The COINCIDENCE has DIFFERENT probability from the mathboys' probability.

     say, in DZ MATRIX OF 3.
    if you see

    123...then ..
    123...that a three different dz in a matrix...
    and a coincidence of repeat ..
    after a few more matrix rows...

    123 hit again, then what the coincidence that...
    123 ...hit again?
     if 123 hit again, that ...

    123
    123
     xxx
    abb
    aba
    123..hit...then..
    123....hit again...meaning two coincidence happened in a row..

    now the mathboys shrieking .".PROBABILITY STILL UNCHANGE!!!"
     "ok..ok..we heard that a million time now, and bored to death with thatt..."
    but coincidence happened in a row? that another probability....

     Another example.
    you see

    123...then..
    111 hit...then after few rows of matrix..
    abb
    bab
    123 hit again...will the next matrix be ...
    111.....Again???

     if 111 hit again...then that a coincident in a row..
     then after few rows of matrix...

    123 hit...then will next be...
    111....AGAIN?!
    that be three coincidence in row...

    123
    111
    abb
    aba
    123
    111
    abb
    aab
    123
    111...Three in row.!!!what the probability?

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 10:35:33 PM »
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  • Another example.

    matriz dozen three.
    you see..
    111..
    222...
    333...three row of coincidence. ..

     after a numerous row..
    you see..

    111..
    222...then...will...
    333 hit...again???

    .if 333hit again , that be great coincidence!

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #5 on: October 20, 2018, 04:39:03 AM »
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  • You see patterns where in reality there are none. And you additionally believe these patterns on the LAYOUT (table), are predicting a certain outcome. They do not.

    What is on the layout, is a set of numbers that however you group them will offer the same probability of hitting depending on your BET SELECTION.

    A certain layout pattern, be it a collection of straight ups seen as a street, dozen or column is no assurance for a correct future outcome. The probability is the same on any given spin.
    All beings are born and steeped in debt. I know of no creature that negates this fact. The commodity they bought with borrowed means, is life, and the price for its duration, be it good or bad, is death.

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #6 on: October 20, 2018, 07:30:11 AM »
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  • thanks Magician,

    the probability remained unchanged,
    the pass and present do not predict the future...
    that why we try to bet the coincidence,
    merely because coincidence itself  highly unlikely to coincidently coinciding ...

    this OVERSIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE.

    in next three rows..you see..
    332..(1missing)
    232..(1missing)
     323... (1missing) then after numerous matrix ...


    abb
    bcc
    332 hit...again.....will 1 be missing again? of course it MAY...

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #7 on: October 20, 2018, 07:33:49 AM »
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  • research your "double street" data,
    after six different ds hit, will next six spin have six different ds...again?
    (apart from zero)


    it may, but, in how many spins?
    have you seen any?

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 07:52:50 AM »
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  • oversimplified example. ..

    say in six ds,

    past six spin=(ds 12345 & 5...)

    that is ds 6=missing...

    will it coincidently that in next six spins=the missing ds, namely 6.
    hit six time in next six spins???

    (12345, 5) hit...then
    (666666)?!  hit?!

    that highly unlikely coincidence...

    of course the progression is high. too...

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #9 on: October 20, 2018, 07:55:03 AM »
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  • or ds in past six spin

    (1234, 4, 4)...(missing=5&6)

    then next six spins=
    (5,6, 5,6, 5,6) ???

    of course it may...

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #10 on: October 20, 2018, 10:18:26 AM »
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  • Good luck with those ideas BTW.

    Oh, when you ask for a big sack from the casino to hold your immense winnings from this "Coincidence" play you love to display here as something solid, please don't forget to take a photo of the shocked expression on the face of  the present Pitboss for us poor math&physics-shmucks,  before you make the Casino go bust and make headlines in the gambling community.  :))

    All beings are born and steeped in debt. I know of no creature that negates this fact. The commodity they bought with borrowed means, is life, and the price for its duration, be it good or bad, is death.

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #11 on: October 20, 2018, 10:53:57 AM »
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  • thanks Magician for your thoughtful thought.
    Appreciate them, thanks again.

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 02:10:53 PM »
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  • You see patterns where in reality there are none. And you additionally believe these patterns on the LAYOUT (table), are predicting a certain outcome. They do not.

    What is on the layout, is a set of numbers that however you group them will offer the same probability of hitting depending on your BET SELECTION.

    A certain layout pattern, be it a collection of straight ups seen as a street, dozen or column is no assurance for a correct future outcome. The probability is the same on any given spin.


    It must be a real challenge to attempt to appear erudite while just stating the obvious. That's a real gift you have.


    Let's break it down so that it is no longer magic. "You see patterns where in reality there are none."


    It's magical thinking to think that is true. There are patterns and they have unique characteristics beyond the suspension of disbelief. They have beginnings, duration, quality towards perfection, and ending types. And most important of all, probability can't forecast or predict when they will occur.


    "And you additionally believe these patterns on the LAYOUT (table), are predicting a certain outcome."


    Not true again, more magical thinking perhaps. You don't need to have magical skills of prediction to place a bet on a pattern or trend. And you don't need a "red herring" to make yourself out to be a good point maker. It's just a straw man argument that serves to elevate yourself and has nothing to do with using patterns or trends the right way, that way that you are apparently oblivious to. Try thinking how a person would use a pattern and then make your dogmatic statements.


    "What is on the layout, is a set of numbers that however you group them will offer the same probability of hitting depending on your BET SELECTION."


    Having the same probability does not make trends and patterns automatically ineffective. There are two outcomes. it works or it does not work. Since the original premise is that a trend or a pattern is the result of coincidence and not some magic elf wondering around putting spells on wheels, or a magic mathBoyz trying to impress everyone, I would not be so righteous with indignation towards others that can clearly see you have blind spots.


    "A certain layout pattern, be it a collection of straight ups seen as a street, dozen or column is no assurance for a correct future outcome. The probability is the same on any given spin."


    There you go again. Probability allows for patterns and trends to work effectively at times. Probability can't prevent a coincidence from occurring. Probability can't predict when a coincidence will be effective or not. Only a fool feeds a trend that is not working. You look like you want all trend users to be fools. You look like you count on it to elevate yourself. It's cheap theatrics you know. You are stating the obvious and celebrating your achievements by it. Only you have accomplished nothing.


    Somebody needed to say it.


    It is a coincidence that a pattern appears. They are only seen by those that have set out to discover them. When it happens it has an eventual ending. It occurred while probability remained a constant. It occurred without any capacity for having the power of prediction. It happened irregardless of the opinions of weak minded math snobs. It happened anyway while the blind continues to lead the blind. And that is a trend too.


    It does not matter that 20 reds in a row happened. The odds for each spin were a constant the entire way. A ranting maniac spewing math equations on a soapbox would have no effect on the coincidence. Course, this is not that case. His outbursts would only be a typical announce regarded as part and parcel of dealing with different personalities on a gambling forum. The trend happened. The pattern was perfect. At no time was the event predictable.


    Now go find a way to argue your point with effectiveness. All you are doing is asking people to be impressed by stating the obvious.
    "...IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO BREAK THE LAW OF AVERAGES." 

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 03:08:48 PM »
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  • I know this will sound weird for some , but ... Order kill random.

    This is what random give us ....random,

    No /      R/B

    3           R
    23         B
    17         B
    33         B
    3           R
    8           B
    21         R
    24         B
    6           B
    34         R
    19         R
    33         B
    4           B
    9           R
    15         B
    14         R
    31         B
    10         B
    4           B
    18         R

    Now same numbers but maybe doesn t look
    so random anymore....

    No /      Group(singles/chops)

    3           1
    23         2
    17         1
    33         2
    3           1
    8           2
    21         1
    24         2
    6           1
    34         2
    19         1
    33         2
    4           1
    9           2
    15         1
    14         2
    31         1
    10         2
    4           1
    18         2

    Yes , still can hit same order for few spins (and new numbers will be
    ordered in the same pattern/order) but....
    The Change is close, groups will change position most
    of the time.

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    Re: COINCIDENCE, the theory.
    « Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 11:47:27 PM »
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  • Thanks Gizmotron and Kattila.

    ____________________

    hi Kattila,
    below is your numbers arrangge as matrix of three.




    This is what random give us ....random,

     R      B      B
     B      R      B
     R     B       B
     R     R      B
     B     R       B
     R     B       B
     B      R

    _______________________

    This is what random give us ....random,

     R      B      B
     B      R      B
     R     B       B.......(RBB FOLLOW BRB)
     R     R      B
     B     R       B
     R     B       B.....(RBB FOLLOW BRB.....again, a coincidence)
     B      R


    Above coincidence two in row...

    when BRB hit again,  will RBB follow?
    if RBB hit, then that coincidence three in row.
    ===================

    This is what random give us ....random,

     R      B      B
     B      R      B.......(BRB FOLLOW RBB)
     R     B       B
     R     R      B......(No repeat after RBB)
     B     R       B
     R     B       B
     B      R

    No repeat of coincidence.