So how many placed bets  will be needed to be accepted as proof.?

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 01, 2013, 09:57:33 AM
The whole MYTH on roulettes invincibility is conceived of the notion that mathematically it is impossible to overcome the house edge in the longrun.

Now where was this belief pulled from?. FLAT BETTING. So why do countless minds bang their heads against the wall of the obvious?. As if to try and be that extra bit smarter than the rest of us.

And say "Hey look over here im real smart, I can beat the game of negative expectancy without ever increasing my stakes in the longrun".

Too much time is wasted living in this dream world. While at the same time seeking to sneer at and ridicule anyone who dare say the game can be taken using a progression. Or a system of staking that breaks away from the FLAT.

Flat betting can beat this game if executed in a multi-level fashion. Other than that it takes at least a mild progression at some point to negate the things that keep the myth alive.

Anyone who says they can flat bet their way to longterm success, simply because their bet selection is superior to the rest of us. Has to PROVE IT. And put their money next to that claim. And so far no one has had the inclination or nerve to do so.

I claim this game can be taken longterm Using a progression, And that will be proven. So anyone who claims they can do it flat has to PROVE IT. 

If you get no zero roulette and play ec bets there is no house edge

How about doing a simple 10k real spins test? I will give 10k spins from a verifiable place.

I know players winning long term, using flat bet. They win rather slow each unit, but due to they do not progress the unit size can be larger.
5 units an evning use to be a target. I am not very successful in flat betting.

Quote from: albalaha on January 01, 2013, 12:47:26 PM
How about doing a simple 10k real spins test? I will give 10k spins from a verifiable place.

Ok. Let's do it.  Obviously i am not betting every spin. So If needed we can continue until 1000 placed bets or so... You decide the terms.


Glad to contribute with something.
Cheers

Ok. Here u go with attached file. Since you are not coming with an open system, u should pass one more test same way. OK with you?

Cool 

It is not system as that. Anyway..


Albalaha,  just becasue you don't know how to do it, doesn't means it isn't possible. Yes, there is a way as MarignyG. says.


Two of us together have succeeded to pass 1033 placed exactly I think, with 3.23 std flat bet on outside EC-s using his software


I ll spare you the math, it is bit over +80 units flat bet on over 1000 placed bets


You won't see that somewhere just like that 


Cheers


Drazen

Drazen,
    I am basically a well-equipped researcher and very well aware of all the permutations this game offers. You may win a session with anything and lose other. If you guys can consistently win flat bet, you are greatest in the world.

Well yes, but  still that isn't so simple as it maybe sounds. To win flat bet... It doesn't means that still it doesn't have some variance and that you will win every session.


And to say the truth, we are not the ones who made that "winning march." But why not to learn it and stride it?



I consider "great" anyone who can beat this game in any way, longterm. That is very hard.


And speaking of flat bet AP guys are also beating the game without progressions.


Cheers




Drazen

I have not seen anyone with AP yet, in a real casino. I know many "potent" bet selections who has much higher expectancy than normal random picks but even they can't be used without any progression. I hope MG will come back soon.

Hi, i don t say i have any long term winner (flat bet ) but i have good results playing some of my systems flat bet.
See results ( 10 000 spins by Albalaha) png.file.

I am back. But it will take me a while, i am sorry. I wish i had an automated way of betting this, but i still do not.
Very nice results Kat.

Quote from: albalaha on January 01, 2013, 04:34:00 AM
Ad,
         In that way, even it is "futile" to have debates here since nobody has a proven method that can keep on earning. If you are gambling with a belief that you will either get a good session or average ones, of whatever u bet, you are merely living off a fallacy and feeding casinos.

Al,

   My "fallacy" has performed nicely for the last 3 1/2 years.   I can't complain, but then I am not a static player.  I have changed methods when I see something that I believe is a better play for me, after extensive testing and paper play, of course.  On several occasions, I have moved back to a tried and true performer when  I felt the need to do so.

   Nothing in roulette looks better to me at this time than my normal play at baccarat.

   As to your "challenge", there is no equivalent wagering problem than can be made in baccarat.   That "3 out of 300" or whatever it is, just does not exist so there's no reason to work on it!

  AD

Katilla,
          Can you please explain which method led you with this result, flat bet? Should I give another session too?
MG. You can at least produce results of whatever you have tested and elaborate your method too.