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Title: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
I had an odd conversation tonight with three other people while playing roulette. I already know the answer but I'll swing this past ya'll. I'll give two options >>
On the 00 wheel, the worst bet is the 0, 00, 1, 2, 3, we all know this. Lets say we have 5 $1 chips.

A) If we wager $5 on the above as ONE bet and hit, we get $30 net plus
our $5 = $35 TOTAL.

B) If we bet $1 on each of the five numbers and we get a hit........ we get $31 net ($1 more) plus our $1 = $32 TOTAL.

So with "B", we net more (by $1) but with "A", we'll end up with a total of $35.

So which is better and WHY or are they both the same?


Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 12:21:42 PM
A. Start...100 u br...after the win...130u
B. Start...100 u br...after the win....131u

A. Is a sucker bet.....7.9% HE. 

A.should be 135u after the win...if they wernt sharks.
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Kav on September 12, 2013, 05:09:59 PM
Hi Mr J,

Your calculations are wrong.

When you bet 5 numbers as a group you spend 5$ and you end up with 7 * 5$ units = 35$  Profit = 30$

When you bet 5 numbers individually, you spend 5$ and you end up with 36 * 1$ units = 36$ Profit=31$

So it is better to bet them individually.
The only reason to bet the numbers as a group is when you want to keep your bets low, because on can use the minimum bet for five numbers, which otherwise would need 5X minimum bet.


Quote from: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:09:24 AM

A) If we wager $5 on the above as ONE bet and hit, we get $30 net plus
our $5 = $35 TOTAL.

B) If we bet $1 on each of the five numbers and we get a hit........ we get $31 net no! you get $35 net!($1 more) plus our $1 = $32 TOTAL. $36 TOTAL


Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
@Kav >> (lol) I know, I wanted to drag this out for a couple days but too late. THAT was the logic from the guys sitting with me at the table.

Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
Yes, +$1 betting them separately.

Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
ken....seeing as i got  it right....I get to ask a question.


American Wheel....I read that E/C is HE 2.7% if you find a table with En prison or Surrender


Is that offer common in US casinos?


That must be worth looking for.
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
00 wheel......every bet is 5.26% except the 0 00 1 2 3 (7.89%).

Here in my crappy city, no single zero wheels and I think (not real sure) not every 0 wheel OFFERS  En prison or Surrender. I'm not real sure if that's an automatic offer/rule or if its up to the casino????

I'd like to know.

Ken

Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: NathanDetroit on September 12, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
Considering that you have directed your question  at Ken I would like to answer you.

The  only jurisdiction  at which the la partage rule at the 0/00 table is in effect is in Atlantic City`s { New Jersey) 11 casinos being guaranteed by the NJ Casino control commission.

By the same token NO  en -prison rule  or la partage  applies  at this jurisdiction to the single 0 roulette wheel  if available at any of those  casinos .

The other major NE USA casinos do not offer this feature. Neither off shore, the ATLANTIS  on Paradise Island Bahamas .Ditto for Nevada  casinos in Las Vegas and Laughlin.


ND



Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 08:09:24 PM
Thanks ND/Ken


I like to understand the game at all levels.


Knowledge is king
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 08:10:00 PM
I learned something new. I did not even think it was offered anywhere on a 00 wheel, interesting.

Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
New Jersey it is then Ken.....is that far?


(remember, UK is 1/3 the size of Texas......we have no concept of distances[smiley]aes/erm.png[/smiley])
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 08:49:01 PM
For a couple years now, I've been thinking about moving to Reno. (no more winters and more than one casino etc.)

Plenty to do there but in a smaller package. that's more my style.

Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: NathanDetroit on September 12, 2013, 09:00:58 PM
Casino Distances from my home base:

Atlantic City  275 miles

Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun  , Connecticut   165 miles

TurningStone ( Oneida Indian ) Casino   97 miles.

Niagara Falls NY  and   Niagara Falls , Ontario 285 miles.

Montreal, Quebec   245 miles

Not excatly walking distances.




ND

Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
Casinos from my home (all 24 hour)....all 50 pence table min inside,lines, streets..... £5-00 EC and doz


Grosvenor casino....3 of them  4 miles, 6 miles, 6 miles


Manchester 235  6 miles


ladbrokes 5 miles


Casinos international 8 miles


Coral 6 miles


Manchester Mint 6 miles


Circus 6 miles


that's just manchester!!!!


Surrounded by 6 other Cities within 40 miles, each city has 6-8 24 hour casinos
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: malcop on September 12, 2013, 09:34:01 PM
Yes Turner I agree so much choice in the UK.  You don't have to travel too far if you want to find a land based Casino. 
And don't forget no tax on gambling  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Big EZ on September 12, 2013, 09:36:14 PM
ND,

that's a long way to drive to work!



Mr.J,

They have Single 0 tables in the PA casinos, but they do not offer en prison.



Turner,

I thought I was lucky only having a 60 mile drive to my closest casino.  AC is only about 110miles from me as well


Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
15 minute drive to my casino.

Ken
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
gambling is totally open and available in UK. We don't pay any tax.....The tax man isn't in the slightest bit interested if I walk out the casino with 50K every day (I wish)


Book makers shops on every corner.....only second to Curry takeaways


Then there are about 100 online casinos


Insane!!!


BTW...Malcop is English?...well i never
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: malcop on September 12, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
Yep Turner I'm English live in the Midlands just like you  :)


Edit: just had a quick look on Google only 69.7 miles from Manchester.
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: NathanDetroit on September 12, 2013, 10:12:51 PM
What`s a Curry takeaway ?

Thanks.



ND>
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
@ Nathan


it's a shop who cooks curry food, you can walk in or have it delivered to your house....as opposed to a Curry House where you eat in.


The delivery man will always be a 50 year old asian in a 20 year old Nissan micra


As in the phrases...."shall we go for a curry" (house) "shall we order a curry" (take away)


Slightly more popular than Gambling.


(don't I paint a beautiful picture of the English)


eating curry....drinking....gambling. In that order
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 12, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
Midlands eh..67 miles could be Notts...leicester...derby...."me duck"
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: malcop on September 12, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Turner on September 12, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
Midlands eh..67 miles could be Notts...leicester...derby...."me duck"
Haha you got it, live near Derby now, but I'm a Wolverhampton lad through and through, come on the Wolves!!!
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: Turner on September 13, 2013, 07:32:23 AM
Nice post MrJ....it was a bit like meeting up in a pub for a chin-wag
Title: Re: Follow Along
Post by: HarryJ on September 13, 2013, 08:20:12 AM
  Hi Turner,
        I returned to Briton for the 1st time in 60 years and when using public transport I thought I was in a foriegn country as none of the other pasengers spoke English!!
    I answered MrJ's post on another forum, you guys are quicker off the mark here.
                 Harry