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[alrelax]

......"it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.

ask yourself , where your conscience,  and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me"........"

We have been down this same road before with Mark/Gizmo.  But I still stand by the few sentences I said about going into a Barnes and Noble.  There will no no outright selling at this time on this forum.  However, if an author does sell, teach, tutor or anything else along professional lines or semi-professional lines, that is his business. 

At this time, as before and will most likely continue, we do not have back ground checks and statements that have to be signed by a poster to post topics or answer.  It is still, ideas, experiences, thoughts, research, questions, statements, etc.  Why not?  All sides, no?

If someone is on this board and is contact and soliciting others to sell something and we get repeated, real and factual complaints as to ripping people off using BetSelection as an advertising venue, that is one thing.  What someone does as a hobby, business or sideline, is another thing. 

IMO and experience, people with extreme experience and knowledge of gaming and gambling will be into something outside of the message board here.  It is no different than Email.  If I get an email from Joe Blow at XYZ Company on Gmail and I purchase something and he ripped me off, I do not blame Gmail, I blame myself for whatever reason(s).  Same here.  No different. 

Carry on.  Thanks, Glen.

[Kimo Li]

Not really. I can have a "negative" mindset but if the system works and I follow it as per the rules, I will still win. In the remainder of your post you went on to describe the experience of a former student who at first failed and then succeeded, but he didn't fail because of a negative mindset, only because he continued to use his "old" methods.

I don't believe any system can beat the house edge, but it's not the BELIEF itself which causes me to lose. There are other causes (such as that the system doesn't increase the accuracy of predictions).

Hello Mike,

Thanks for pointing out the reason for his failure, using his old methods. I know the house edge can be overcome. It is the accuracy of predictions that drives my method to beat the house edge. Without it, no method can win.

[6th-sense]

an interesting thread Kimo Li...

arguements for and against..

Ultimatley its the individuals choice and belief ...that one leap of faith ..to believe in someone that can show them a way..

Unfortunatley in this day and age that belief gets hazy..everybody tries to make money off everybody..

Everybody is a scammer...everybody is out for what they can get..and for most if not all that leap of faith is suddenly a leap into oblivion.

This is now the mindset...nobody should blame the individual...but the society that has brought this way of thinking about

[alrelax]

The above post is correct in many ways.  Everyday I open my personal and business and message board emails.  A total of 6 email accounts.  WOW, some days unbelievable!  From all over the world, the prince, the kings, the western union managers, the attorneys telling me I have 100 million dollars to be forfeited, and countless other things, almost everyday.  Then all the blind solicitation, etc., etc.  Years ago it used to cost either stamps, printing and stationary to do all this or labor and phone calls, expenses.  Now it is all computer, type a letter and mass email.  Sure there are some expenses, but not nearly what it used to entail in fixed costs and labor, etc.

SO we get conditioned, I believe is the proper word for it.  And many people carry over that conditioning into all aspects of their life, work and existence.  BOOM!

However, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc. 

Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services?  IMO, sure, why not.  Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money?  I highly doubt it.  But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.

And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money.  However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.   

[Kimo Li]

Ultimatley its the individuals choice and belief ...that one leap of faith ..to believe in someone that can show them a way

In 1981, I was invited to a financial investment group seminar. I was offered a piece of investment to buy commercial land in Las Vegas. This was a private group, by invitation only. By chance, I had met a guy in a bar and we started talking. We had something in common, golf. I told him I have access to the military course, reserved for military and Department of Defense civilian employees. He said he would love to play on that course. So the next morning I scheduled tee time at the military golf course, navy / marine. I was able to secure an early spot because I worked for the military at the time.

Long story short, he invited me to this financial group meeting. He said if I had 5,000.00 disposable cash, meaning it will not hurt my pocket. I did not even flinch. I wrote a check and became an investor in commercial land. A year later, the group sold a small corner lot to a gas station. I doubled my investment. The rest of the land was sold to build a commercial retail stores and apartments behind the strip mall construction. 5,000.00 investment turned to a 50,000.00 profit.

There is something to be said about leap of faith.

Do I have experiences where leap of faith failed miserably? Divorced twice. That cost me a pretty penny. Yet, I believe if one does not take chances, one will never know.

I took a leap of faith and it panned out.

[Kimo Li]

However, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc.

Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services?  IMO, sure, why not.  Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money?  I highly doubt it.  But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.

And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money.  However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.   

I learned at an early age the value of learning from someone who I believe to be a mentor. My dad died when I was six years old. So I became very keen in spotting the experts who can guide me in my life, men who knew how to fish, work on cars, fight, etc. In my young adult life, I hired a golf pro to improve my golf game, best decision ever.

Finding a mentor is one thing; becoming one, leads to a different path. I understood that in order to be successful, I had to slay my own dragons, pave my own way, and create my own journey. I chose to become a professional gambler. My mother said to me, "If you are going to be a criminal, be the best." What? Her wisdom resonated. So, I am a professional roulette player.

[Blue_Angel]

I admire persons like you, however, if I was you I wouldn't bother with mentoring, the worst aspect of it is to have to deal with negative mentalities...I believe that we cannot, we should not and after all, why to want changing different mindsets in order to adapt to what we know as valid. (?)
People have the right to be wrong, otherwise we would not have all those failures, bad experiences, bad examples...and the list goes on.
People might build huge machinery, constructions, but they are unable to change their inner world, that's the hardest obstacle.


You must be 1 of the persons who created the "parity hedge" system for Craps back on the 80's, that story has been recycled as an urban legend but now I can see where it's its origin...!

[Kimo Li]

The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.

Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions.

As Glen points out:

But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper.  Which is, browse, read and enjoy.  But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.

[alrelax]

As Kimo just said:  "The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.

Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions."

This is why almost all people that look to learn and try to depend on another will not, at least until they get some kind of extensive experience and walk down and live that school of hard knocks, lost sums of money and years of experience:

If they listen, if they trust, if they want to learn, but almost all will not.  Gambling is a bit different than other industries and pursuits, especially when there is cold, hard cash up in front of yourself.  The brain and emotions work in a much different way than almost all other work for reward type things, investments and profit turn around situation. 

Why?  Because of our perceived intelligence, beliefs that I am smart and can figure it all out, distrust of all others and simple-plain ego, etc.  That is the reason spelled out, IMO.

[Kimo Li]

I am more interested in stories and anecdotes of players' experiences while playing live on roulette tables than the actual strategy itself.

I remember a time when I used sections as a strategy to make money. I notice a section on the American 00 wheel, 28 9 26 30 11 7 was hitting a lot and determined that I had discovered the dealer's signature. I was playing .25 cents bets, minimum 1.00. My bank was 20.00. I was in a dire straight situation. My friend was watching my new born child in the van while I was trying to make some money for diapers, formula, and other essentials. Long story short, I made a 100.00, saved the day.

[Blue_Angel]

I totally agree with you Kimo, the strategy/method/system analysis is the essence, has practical value.


If someone wants to share about what he ate, what he bought and a bunch of other irrelevant details with individuals who doesn't know personally then why not to write a book about all these, about the story of his life and sell it to find out how many would care to buy such thing?

[Kimo Li]

Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.

Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.

There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.

We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.

In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.

[Kimo Li]

I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.

For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.

The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.

[alrelax]

Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.

Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.

There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.

We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.

In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.

Nice!

[alrelax]

I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.

For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.

The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.

And you are IMO, 110% correct.  I tried to do exactly what you said w/Baccarat on this board.